Hi Shane, Your vision is pretty cool, but I'm not sure to understand your means to achieve it. Do you want to develop the platform from scratch on GAE or use an existing collaborative plateform ? I love the idea of using Seam and java EE to create such a platform (I could see a lot of project were I could reuse it ;-) ) for this university but don't you think it's a very big project and that it's very similar with the Seam Wiki example / project that host seamframework.org and in.relation.to today ?

IMHO to be realistic and result focus we should start on an existing platform. Either with a web standard platform that will not be in Java (wordpress, drupal, etc...) or better with a solution based on Java like jives or even better exo-platform (built on top of gatein portal). An other solution would be to port Seam Wiki from Seam 2 to Seam 3 and make it evolves t meet our needs...

Concerning the cloud platform, I'm not very found of GAE, because it's very restrictive and a proprietary version of Java EE (datastore, thread management, bad JSF support, no EJB support...) and is not in the spirit of Java EE. Amazon's Elasticbeanstalk or some of your Redhat / JBoss cloud solution looks better to me. In the case we would like to promote the dev part a solution like cloudbees could also a good solution to me. It would be nice to have a part of the site build around Seam Forge and that could allow user to test, share code (a kind of Github with possibility to run code). A kind of Seam Genius Bar ;-).

I keep in mind that the coming Java EE 7 will be about cloud, so if we want to communicate and promote this we have to choose an environment that will probably follow this path. To finish, I'm not very found of having resources split between multiple sites and users experience and I think we should look for a solution that will host all Seam resources to give an image of professionalism and coherence.

Antoine SABOT-DURAND --------------------------------------- Twitter ; http://twitter.com/antoine_sd LinkedIn : http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand Le 6 avr. 2011 à 10:14, Shane Bryzak a écrit : > Now that the Seam final release has been out for about a week (and I've > had a chance to gather my wits), I've been thinking a bit about what we > should do with the seamframework.org web site. I think that we're all > in agreement that we need to do something, however the devil is in the > details - it's plain to me that we can't do a straight migration of all > content to the jboss.org community site and still retain all the value > that the current site provides. > > Essentially, the contents of the site can be broken down into a few > categories: > > 1. Forums > 2. Knowledgebase > 3. Marketing > 4. Reference - links to documentation, downloads, Maven artifacts, etc > > I believe that 1, 3 and 4 are the types of content that we can > successfully host on the jboss.org infrastructure (still accessible from > www.seamframework.org), in a similar way that hibernate.org does it. > What I don't believe that we can host there is the knowledgebase. I > think that this is one area where we're currently failing our community, > and that we have the potential to make vast improvements on. > > This is where Seam University comes in. My vision for this is to build > a site that is run with the same collaborative community effort that has > exploded into existence as a result of Seam 3. This would be a site > where Seam users could submit their own articles, tutorials and tips for > using Seam, and have it properly indexed via a powerful keyword search > algorithm (this bit is quite important). I know we have in.relation.to, > but the problem with this site is a) only a select few can submit > content to it, b) new content falls off the radar quite quickly and c) > it's mainly centered around product announcements. > > As for hosting this, my preference would be to use Google App Engine so > that the site could double up in purpose as being a showcase of CDI/Seam > technology in the cloud. > > Anyway, these are my initial thoughts on this subject and I would really > love to hear some feedback on these ideas. So don't be shy to let me > know what you think. :) > > Shane > > > _______________________________________________ > seam-dev mailing list > seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev

Could we get some ability statements or stories going that you have in mind Shane? Maybe some of the technical direction you were thinking about as well. I also don't see this being a huge problem for development. We have many hands to help with the lifting, no reason we can't do it in an iterative fashion. That'll help cut down on the amount of work and also timeframe. It would also be a great time to really test out Arquillian Alpha5. On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Shane Bryzak<sbryzak(a)redhat.com> wrote: > On 06/04/11 19:22, Antoine Sabot-Durand wrote: >> Hi Shane, >> >> Your vision is pretty cool, but I'm not sure to understand your means to achieve it. >> Do you want to develop the platform from scratch on GAE or use an existing collaborative plateform ? >> >> I love the idea of using Seam and java EE to create such a platform (I could see a lot of project were I could reuse it ;-) ) for this university but don't you think it's a very big project and that it's very similar with the Seam Wiki example / project that host seamframework.org and in.relation.to today ? > It will have some similarities to functionality provided by > seamframework.org, but much more accessible. It's honestly not going to > be that complex (the key is to keep things simple) and I don't think it > will be a significant development effort. Most of the time will be > spent on usability analysis I imagine. > >> IMHO to be realistic and result focus we should start on an existing platform. Either with a web standard platform that will not be in Java (wordpress, drupal, etc...) or better with a solution based on Java like jives or even better exo-platform (built on top of gatein portal). An other solution would be to port Seam Wiki from Seam 2 to Seam 3 and make it evolves t meet our needs... > Unfortunately none of these solutions offer the functionality that I > want the site to provide. The Seam 2 wiki example is too > over-engineered for the simpler requirements of the new site (not to > mention is based on JSF, which I don't want to use). > >> Concerning the cloud platform, I'm not very found of GAE, because it's very restrictive and a proprietary version of Java EE (datastore, thread management, bad JSF support, no EJB support...) and is not in the spirit of Java EE. Amazon's Elasticbeanstalk or some of your Redhat / JBoss cloud solution looks better to me. In the case we would like to promote the dev part a solution like cloudbees could also a good solution to me. It would be nice to have a part of the site build around Seam Forge and that could allow user to test, share code (a kind of Github with possibility to run code). A kind of Seam Genius Bar ;-). > Using GAE was just an idea, I'm not set on it by any means and am happy > for us to consider alternatives such as Amazon. I picked GAE out of the > air because a) it's popular with a lot of developers and it would be > nice to have a "real" CDI/Seam example running on this platform, and b) > its free quotas are quite generous. > >> I keep in mind that the coming Java EE 7 will be about cloud, so if we want to communicate and promote this we have to choose an environment that will probably follow this path. >> >> To finish, I'm not very found of having resources split between multiple sites and users experience and I think we should look for a solution that will host all Seam resources to give an image of professionalism and coherence. > The key with creating a successful Seam knowledgebase site is to have it > owned by the community. If we host it at jboss.org then I'm certain it > will work against this goal. That's not to say though that we can't > link between the two. Also, I want to support OpenID (and the new OAuth > features you've been working on) on the new site, which we can't do on > jboss.org. > >> >> Antoine SABOT-DURAND >> --------------------------------------- >> Twitter ; http://twitter.com/antoine_sd >> LinkedIn : http://fr.linkedin.com/in/antoinesabotdurand >> >> >> >> Le 6 avr. 2011 à 10:14, Shane Bryzak a écrit : >> >>> Now that the Seam final release has been out for about a week (and I've >>> had a chance to gather my wits), I've been thinking a bit about what we >>> should do with the seamframework.org web site. I think that we're all >>> in agreement that we need to do something, however the devil is in the >>> details - it's plain to me that we can't do a straight migration of all >>> content to the jboss.org community site and still retain all the value >>> that the current site provides. >>> >>> Essentially, the contents of the site can be broken down into a few >>> categories: >>> >>> 1. Forums >>> 2. Knowledgebase >>> 3. Marketing >>> 4. Reference - links to documentation, downloads, Maven artifacts, etc >>> >>> I believe that 1, 3 and 4 are the types of content that we can >>> successfully host on the jboss.org infrastructure (still accessible from >>> www.seamframework.org), in a similar way that hibernate.org does it. >>> What I don't believe that we can host there is the knowledgebase. I >>> think that this is one area where we're currently failing our community, >>> and that we have the potential to make vast improvements on. >>> >>> This is where Seam University comes in. My vision for this is to build >>> a site that is run with the same collaborative community effort that has >>> exploded into existence as a result of Seam 3. This would be a site >>> where Seam users could submit their own articles, tutorials and tips for >>> using Seam, and have it properly indexed via a powerful keyword search >>> algorithm (this bit is quite important). I know we have in.relation.to, >>> but the problem with this site is a) only a select few can submit >>> content to it, b) new content falls off the radar quite quickly and c) >>> it's mainly centered around product announcements. >>> >>> As for hosting this, my preference would be to use Google App Engine so >>> that the site could double up in purpose as being a showcase of CDI/Seam >>> technology in the cloud. >>> >>> Anyway, these are my initial thoughts on this subject and I would really >>> love to hear some feedback on these ideas. So don't be shy to let me >>> know what you think. :) >>> >>> Shane >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seam-dev mailing list >>> seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev > _______________________________________________ > seam-dev mailing list > seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev >