[aerogear-dev] AeroGear Connectivity

Thu Apr 11 08:47:45 EDT 2013

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com>wrote:

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> On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:55 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>
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> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Kris Borchers <kris at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> I agree with most of this but have a few comments/suggestions inline.
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>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:49 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>
>> wrote:
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>> AeroGear Connectivity
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>> The connectivity part in AeroGear (name: *AeroGear Connectivity Server*?)
>> is responsible to deliver messages from the server to the client. It
>> contains two *different* components:
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>>    - Device Push
>>    - Web Push
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>> I am not a fan of this naming. I feel like it is confusing. I think
>> Device Push should just be Push and Web Push should be something different
>> to show it is different. Maybe something simple like PubSub since that's
>> basically what it is.
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> Oh, yeah - as usually, I don't really care on names that much :)
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> yea,  i think something around PubSub for "Web Push" would be good.  i got
> confused when i was reading the Web Push section, i was thinking why would
> we need android/ios libs when we can do Device push,
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"WEb Push" would be low-latency (since it's something over WebSocket),
while w/ Device Push, we can't control it; the actual up to the network (so
there is latency involved).

Regarding "Web Push" - hey WebSocket exists for OBjC and Java as well :)
Regarding PubSub - if that library is build JUST on WebSocket/SockJS (not
vert.x nor stomp.js), there is no pub-sub at all :)

So, that makes the name finding interesting :)

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>> The *Web Push* offers a low-latency message deliver from the server to *
>> connected* clients, while the *Device Push* delivers notification-style
>> messages to an explict application, deployed on a mobile device.
>>  <https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#device-push>Device
>> Push
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>> Push Notifications can be send to an explicit application (or even a
>> specific installation), deployed on a mobile device, wheter the application
>> is running or not. Push Messages are *not* intented to deliver large
>> messages, nor in a low-latency fashion. They are more notification-style
>> messages. The latency can not be controlled, since the actual message
>> delivery, to the phone, is controlled by the actual *Push Network*.
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>> The AeroGear server submits messages, for a certain mobile app, to such a
>> *Push Network* (like APNs or GCM). Different*Push Networks* have
>> different limitations and restrictions, regarding message size, etc. Most
>> *Push Networks* queue the message for offline devices (e.g. no
>> connection, no roaming or device switched off). Once they are back online
>> the message are delivered. Since these messages can become *stale* the *Push
>> Network* allow to specify an expiry time.
>> <https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#supported-client-platforms>Supported
>> client platforms
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>> Initially we are supporting the following platforms:
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>>    - Android
>>    - iOS
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>> *Note*: The above platforms includes hybrid containers, such as Apache
>> Cordova!
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>> In the future we may add support for more platforms, such as:
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>>    - Firefox OS
>>    - Blackberry
>>    - Windows
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>> *NOTE*: One thing to have in mind, that there will be (eventually) a JS
>> API, which allows a server to deliver messages to a JS application,
>> deployed on any phone. *However*, it may take very long to get a unified
>> standard, that works accross the different devices. Platforms like Firefox
>> OS address this already, but only for one specific device type
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>> We can discuss this more in our meeting but I would like to suggest
>> implementing a JS SimplePush pollyfill now! We could follow this emerging
>> spec from FFOS (https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/SimplePush) which they
>> plan to implement in FF mobile and desktop later this year.
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> sounds good
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>>  We would need to build the server side piece into our unified push server
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> yup - that's not hard; it's similar to what we have for iOS and Android;
> It just uses a different PushNetwork to submit to;
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>> bits but I think the effort would be worth it to provide a cross-browser
>> solution for push on the web which could be transitioned to the native
>> browser push when ready.
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> early on ! :)) sounds good!
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>>  <https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#web-push>Web Push
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>> The *Web Push* allows a low-latency message exchange between *connected*
>>  (read: *online*) clients and the server. This is usually realized with
>> technologies like WebSocket (or robust fallbacks like SockJS). Once a
>> client application connects, it can exchange (receive and send) messages
>> with the server (and other clients). Messages have no restrictions in terms
>> of size of content (JSON, binary). While technoques like SockJS provide a
>> *socket connection* between the client and the server, it is desired to
>> have a more high-level API, to be used for the communication (e.g. Stomp).
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>> Initially, Clients that are offline are *NOT* receiving messages.
>> Messages are not persisted and stored, to be delivered later.
>> <https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#supported-client-platforms-1>Supported
>> client platforms
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>>    - Android (Java client library)
>>    - iOS (ObjC client library)
>>    - JavaScript (JS client library, to be used in browsers and hybrid
>>    containers)
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>> Thoughts? The original gist is store here:
>> https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2
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>> -Matthias
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