[aerogear-dev] Unified Push Server user management questions
Jay Balunas
jbalunas at redhat.com
Tue Jun 25 10:41:39 EDT 2013
On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Hylke Bons wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'd really like to opt for Bootstrap as the base for the presentation/CSS.
> It has all the components I need, and I've got experience with theming Bootstrap already.
This seems reasonable way to reduce risk for the admin console. Especially if we are going to using a new framework for the non-UI (ember).
>
> Hylke
>
>
> On 24/06/2013 17:07, Sebastien Blanc wrote:
>> I agree with Kris about Ember. We already made some tests/apps with angular and backbone.
>> We should also chose a "presentation framework", my suggestion for this would be topcoat (as we already played a bit with the others)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Kris Borchers <kris at redhat.com> wrote:
>> I would personally love to see us dive into Ember here but am happy to hear what others on the team think. I think it's a good opportunity to see what is different and show our stuff working with yet another JS framework since it doesn't seem like any single one is winning at the moment.
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So i'm going to use this thread to discuss if we have a requirement for what framework to use for the Admin UI console thing
>>>
>>> Here are some choices, but not an exhaustive list:
>>>
>>> Ember
>>> Backbone
>>> Angular
>>> Just Straight up HTML/JS/CSS
>>> Other Buzz Words
>>>
>>> Since this is going to be part of the Push server( installed in an App server ) and not a quick start or showcase app, do we need to adhere to a specific framework?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Deepali Khushraj <dkhushra at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Deepali Khushraj <dkhushra at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> Just saw this email. The updates look good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthias, also one question to you: can a single variant have multiple push networks (APNS, GCM etc) associated with it? All the examples in the spec have only a single push network associated with a "variant", so that part was not clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is:
>>>>> PushApp: Overall mobile App (e.g. "AeroGear Sports News").
>>>>> Variant: A _variation_ of this (for a specific target). "AeroGear Sports News for iOS", "AeroGear Sports News for Android" or "AeroGear Sports News for Web".
>>>>>
>>>>> Now... with a bit more "fine tuning" (e.g. the the user/company wants to be fancy and offer specific apps (to the app-store) for iPhone/iPad or Android Tablets/Phones"), these following "variants" could exist for the "AeroGear Sports News" Push Application:
>>>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPhone"
>>>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPad"
>>>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for iPad mini"
>>>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for Android-Table"
>>>>> * "AeroGear Sports News for Google-Glasses"
>>>>>
>>>>> Since a variant targets a specific platform, there is no real sense in having the one variant supporting different PushNetworks. thins like that are group under a PushApplication (as explained above).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does that make sense? Do you feel I need to be more clear on that in the spec ?
>>>>
>>>> Your approach sounds reasonable. Perhaps just a line in the spec, explicitly stating this, could be useful.
>>>>
>>>> Do you plan to allow the user to configure both dev and prod certificates of APNS for a single iOS variant?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes. And I think Hylke's wireframes already indicate that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> D.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Hylke Bons <hbons at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've updated the wireframes with the points raised, you can find it here: https://raw.github.com/hbons/aerogear-design/master/aerogear_unified_push_server_admin_ui.png
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll address your feedback inline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/06/2013 01:38, Deepali Khushraj wrote:
>>>>>>> * It seems from the designs that the user can add only a single OS-specific variant per app. For example, I can create "Mobile HR" app with a single "HR iOS" variant, but not two variants like "HR iPad" and "HR iPhone free". I believe Matthias' lexicon states such multiple variants are possible per app. .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the way you've done is fine. However, if we choose this path then, I think, we need to update the specification and ensure the REST API won't allow multiple OS-specific variants per app, otherwise, they can't be shown in the UI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I forgot a to add this usecase. This can now be done in the "Variants" tab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Apple's Push network has prod and dev environment options, a flag would be useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two certificate files can now be provided: one for production and one for development. Any of the two can be used by mobile apps whether they're deployed or for debugging purposes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * The terms "Instance" and "Variant" will be unfamiliar terminologies to a new user. A help icon on the screen or just some text explaining the meanings of these terms to new comers would be helpful
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Terminology suggestion:
>>>>>>> Instance -> "Active user instances" or just "User instances"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've changed this to "Mobile Instances" for now, but we can discuss this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * I found the name "Variants and Push Networks" confusing. I would suggest we use one :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Push Networks it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * I noticed you added links to download client SDKs, which is great. I think a link to the Sender REST API spec would be useful too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is something we need to fix on the aerogear.org website itself. There should be easy access from the downloads to the API as a "next step".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * I found our iOS tutorial to be really helpful. It got the user up and running really quickly. This is something I struggled with Urban Airship and other services. Linking ours to the console could be a real value add to first-time users
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * We need to check the security aspect of showing end-user emails in the instances tab to the developers of the app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like mentioned by Matthias, this can be anything, not just email addressses. It depends on how the developer sets the system up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Also, if an app gets really popular then this list will likely be really long, like thousands of users. Not sure if our console could handle that. I think this feature of being able to see instances is great in "development mode" or during apps' "beta testing" though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be a long list and we probably will have to add pagination and filtering. The main usecase here is removing instances to stop them from receiving new push notifications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Is the check-mark in first screen used to make an app active Vs inactive?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was to to select applications and perform actions on them. I already thought this would be confusing, so I removed them now. An app is active when it has at least one push network enabled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * I like that you show the variants summary in first screen, wondering if we could use icons there for iOS, Android & web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, potentially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * I was wondering if we could consider some UX ideas for first-time user experience. I imagine a lot of users using this service would never have used Push before, so they may need some hand holding and the UI is a great way to start that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I've added some paragraphs to make things more friendlier, but there's room for improvement. We can fix this as we go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback. It's been really useful!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hylke
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