[aerogear-dev] AeroGear.js without jQuery Discussion
Miiguel Lemos
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Mon Mar 24 17:09:02 EDT 2014
Meanwhile: there are several possibilities to build a customized (smaller) jQuery library.
For instance:
http://projects.jga.me/jquery-builder/
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No dia 24/03/2014, às 17:11, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> escreveu:
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>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> That's why I mentioned When.js for an eventual 2.0 fallback lib
>> "When.js is a rock solid, battle-tested Promises/A+ and when() implementation, including a complete ES6 Promise shim"
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> if we do it right, a user could use any promise lib that is to spec
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>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <tolisemm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> 2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>:
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>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that it would be nice to implement AGJS-70 (Investigate removing jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery dependency.
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>>>>>>>>>>> The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax and the promise implementation.
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>>>>>>>>>>> i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from source ), but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib.
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>>>>>>>>>>> and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some random thing for the filter method, which could probably be updated ).
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>>>>>>>>>>> Promises are starting to become available natively in browsers and jQuery doesn't use the Promise/A+ spec, so it could be harder to fallback without a shim of some kind
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>>>>>>>>> Good to know. Thanks for providing this info.
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>>>>>>>>>> sounds reasonable to 'wait' on the promise side of things, and use that bit in the datamanager
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>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to spec, such as Q and RSVP, here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article
>>>>>>>> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo, it's maybe also worth looking https://github.com/cujojs/when
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>>>>>> not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing. Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js lib] goes away.
>>>>> I know but I'm more concerned about "Once the API is part of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep supporting them.
>>>> i will have to update the roadmap.
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>>>> 2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch, but we can start experimenting now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only.
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>>>> Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox 29( next version ) will too. Safari and IE are in dev i believe
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>>>> for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method here "Promise.cast",
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>>> please strike this comment from the record, i'm an idiot :)
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>>>> although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib )
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>>>>>>>>>>> while i don't really want to reinvent the wheel in terms of Ajax, it might be interesting to take a look.
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>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies
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>>>>>>>>>> -M
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>>>>>>>>>>> I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like, that Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for multipart
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>>>>>>>>> @Lucas Thanks for making things clear
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