[aerogear-dev] AeroGear.js without jQuery Discussion
Lucas Holmquist
lholmqui at redhat.com
Mon Mar 24 19:46:00 EDT 2014
On Mar 24, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Miiguel Lemos <miguel21op at gmail.com> wrote:
> Meanwhile: there are several possibilities to build a customized (smaller) jQuery library.
> For instance:
>
> http://projects.jga.me/jquery-builder/
yup, and since we don't package jQuery with our JS libs, you could use that to build a smaller build
>
> Enviado do meu iPad
>
> No dia 24/03/2014, às 17:11, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> escreveu:
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>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> That's why I mentioned When.js for an eventual 2.0 fallback lib
>>> "When.js is a rock solid, battle-tested Promises/A+ and when() implementation, including a complete ES6 Promise shim"
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>> if we do it right, a user could use any promise lib that is to spec
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>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org> wrote:
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>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <tolisemm at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> 2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>:
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>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I agree that it would be nice to implement AGJS-70 (Investigate removing jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery dependency.
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>>>>>> The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax and the promise implementation.
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>>>>>> i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from source ), but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib.
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>>>>>> and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at.
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>>>>>> Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some random thing for the filter method, which could probably be updated ).
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>>>>>> Promises are starting to become available natively in browsers and jQuery doesn't use the Promise/A+ spec, so it could be harder to fallback without a shim of some kind
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>>>>>> Good to know. Thanks for providing this info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sounds reasonable to 'wait' on the promise side of things, and use that bit in the datamanager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to spec, such as Q and RSVP, here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article
>>>>> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/
>>>>>
>>>>> These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo, it's maybe also worth looking https://github.com/cujojs/when
>>>>>
>>>>> not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing. Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js lib] goes away.
>>>>> I know but I'm more concerned about "Once the API is part of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep supporting them.
>>>>>
>>>> i will have to update the roadmap.
>>>>
>>>> 2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch, but we can start experimenting now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only.
>>>>
>>>> Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox 29( next version ) will too. Safari and IE are in dev i believe
>>>>
>>>> for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method here "Promise.cast",
>>>
>>> please strike this comment from the record, i'm an idiot :)
>>>
>>>> although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib )
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>>>>>> while i don't really want to reinvent the wheel in terms of Ajax, it might be interesting to take a look.
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>>>>>> Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies
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>>>>>> -M
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>>>>>> I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like, that Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for multipart
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> @Lucas Thanks for making things clear
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