[aerogear-dev] AeroGear.js without jQuery Discussion

Tue Mar 25 08:58:54 EDT 2014

On Mar 25, 2014, at 8:15 AM, Lukáš Fryč <lukas.fryc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Side note: getting integration with jQuery{ajax,promises} right was one of the pain points when integrating with AeroGear.js / Angular (uses q.js, and custom http service).
> 
i know they include their "own" version of jQuery

> We must be sure whatever we choose is compatible with frameworks out there (at least it should not hard-nut to make it work). In terms of promises implementation. In the end people may even end up using 2-3 promise approaches in one project that makes code pretty disgusting.
> 
> So:
> 
> +1 getting rid of jQuery.ajax
> +1 getting rid of jQuery promises (they are just wrong anyway ;-)
> 
> 
> Btw in terms of polyfilling, I would suggest:
> 
> 1) use whatever standard is as long as supported by majority of mainstream browsers
> 
> 2) use whatever standard will be and compile polyfill into aerogear.js (as long as it's not too bloated; not necessary for bower users)
> 
the polyfill i was thinking about is here https://github.com/jakearchibald/es6-promise

it is just the spec and 2kb gzipped, which is nice

and i think this could be an external( compiled in ) dep of the library

> Wdyt?
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Karel Piwko <kpiwko at redhat.com> wrote:
> Given number of supported browsers is quite low - http://caniuse.com/promises, I
> believe that polyfill will be needed even with version 2.0.
> 
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:01:38 -0400
> Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <tolisemm at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> 2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui at redhat.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>> I agree that it would be nice to implement AGJS-70 (Investigate removing
> > >>> jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub
> > >>> that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only
> > >>> the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could
> > >>> create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently
> > >>> needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery
> > >>> dependency.
> > >>
> > >> The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax
> > >> and the promise implementation.
> > >>
> > >> i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from
> > >> source ),  but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib.
> > >>
> > >> and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just
> > >> add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at.
> > >>
> > >> Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some
> > >> random thing for the filter method,  which could probably be updated ).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Promises are starting to become available natively in browsers and jQuery
> > >> doesn't use the Promise/A+ spec,  so it could be harder to fallback
> > >> without a shim of some kind
> > >>
> > >> Good to know. Thanks for providing this info.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> sounds reasonable to 'wait' on the promise side of things, and use that
> > >> bit in the datamanager
> > >>
> > >> +1
> > >
> > > there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to
> > > spec,  such as Q and RSVP,  here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article
> > > http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/
> > >
> > > These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo,
> > > it's maybe also worth looking https://github.com/cujojs/when
> > >
> > > not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing.
> > > Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js
> > > lib] goes away. I know but I'm more concerned about  "Once the API is part
> > > of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our
> > > roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep
> > > supporting them.
> > >
> > i will have to update the roadmap.
> >
> > 2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch,  but we can start experimenting
> > now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only.
> >
> > Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox
> > 29( next version ) will too.  Safari and IE are in dev i believe
> >
> > for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method
> > here  "Promise.cast",  although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe
> > this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib )
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> while i don't really want to reinvent the wheel in terms of Ajax,  it
> > >> might be interesting to take a look.
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies
> > >>
> > >> -M
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like,  that
> > >> Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for
> > >> multipart
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> @Lucas Thanks for making things clear
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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