<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <<a href="mailto:matzew@apache.org">matzew@apache.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Lucas Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com" target="_blank">lholmqui@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div class="im"><div>On Apr 11, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <<a href="mailto:matzew@apache.org" target="_blank">matzew@apache.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com" target="_blank">lholmqui@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <<a href="mailto:matzew@apache.org" target="_blank">matzew@apache.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Lucas Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com" target="_blank">lholmqui@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div><div>On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:07 AM, Kris Borchers <<a href="mailto:kris@redhat.com" target="_blank">kris@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div> We would need to build the server side piece into our unified push server</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yup - that's not hard; it's similar to what we have for iOS and Android; It just uses a different PushNetwork to submit to;</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The problem is that push network doesn't exist either and I don't want to wait for the browsers to build them :) … we would need to build that as well. What I am thinking is we would build the network into our server side so that users could deploy their own PushNetwork for their apps but have the ability for the clients to use the appropriate browser PushNetwork if available. Then, we would eventually kill our PushNetwork bits when all browsers implement their own.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>This could be very cool. Like an enterprise can have their own internal push network</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I fear that mostly does not work :) You can only send messages to iOS, via APNs; Similar to Android, where it has to go through GCM;</div>
<div>Providers like Urban Airship, accept the messages (for different networks) and deliver them to APNs, GCM etc </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Would this be "built in"( maybe the wrong word) to controller? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not sure what you mean here;</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>If we did create our own push network, webPush, would that be part of controller somehow</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
<br></div><div>I still don't understand :) </div><div><br></div><div>The Push Network (you want that as a separated server/service, for scaling reasons) could be build with the controller…. (since it would a separate server);</div>
<div><br></div><div>Do you want to integrate that "server" with the framework ? So if you use controller for you app/routing, you always get the Push-Network? Hrm, I guess I don't understand what you mean<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>yes that is what i mean</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="">I think you really want that as an isolated server (scaling); The controller may have optimized routes to deliver "push requests" (and/or device registrations) to that isolated server.</div>
<div style="">Not sure I'd really combine the network with the framework. Perhaps I don't see the benefit ? </div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yup, built in was the wrong word. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"> bits but I think the effort would be worth it to provide a cross-browser solution for push on the web which could be transitioned to the native browser push when ready.<br>
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<h2 style="margin:20px 0px 10px;padding:0px;font-size:24px;border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:solid;border-bottom-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><a name="13df93bfd499e57e_13df9363e39cc0cb_13df912170c16666_13df8ea34079f555_web-push" href="https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#web-push" style="color:rgb(65,131,196);text-decoration:none;display:block;padding-left:30px" target="_blank"></a>Web Push</h2><p style="margin:0px 0px 15px;font-size:13.63636302947998px;font-weight:normal;line-height:20px">The <em>Web Push</em> allows a low-latency message exchange between <em>connected</em> (read: <em>online</em>) clients and the server. This is usually realized with technologies like WebSocket (or robust fallbacks like SockJS). Once a client application connects, it can exchange (receive and send) messages with the server (and other clients). Messages have no restrictions in terms of size of content (JSON, binary). While technoques like SockJS provide a <em>socket connection</em> between the client and the server, it is desired to have a more high-level API, to be used for the communication (e.g. Stomp).</p><p style="margin:15px 0px;font-size:13.63636302947998px;font-weight:normal;line-height:20px">Initially, Clients that are offline are <strong>NOT</strong> receiving messages. Messages are not persisted and stored, to be delivered later.</p>
<h3 style="margin:20px 0px 10px;padding:0px;font-size:18px"><a name="13df93bfd499e57e_13df9363e39cc0cb_13df912170c16666_13df8ea34079f555_supported-client-platforms-1" href="https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2#supported-client-platforms-1" style="color:rgb(65,131,196);text-decoration:none;display:block;padding-left:30px" target="_blank"></a>Supported client platforms</h3>
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iOS (ObjC client library)</li><li>JavaScript (JS client library, to be used in browsers and hybrid containers)</li></ul><h1 style="font-size:28px;margin:0px 0px 10px;padding:0px;font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif">
<br></h1><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:20px">Thoughts? The original gist is store here: </span></div><div><font face="Helvetica, arial, freesans, clean, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:20px"><a href="https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2" target="_blank">https://gist.github.com/matzew/17f793e4be11473423d2</a></span></font><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:20px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:20px">-Matthias</span></div>
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