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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
      <br>
      I can't judge the implementation or performance. I'll take
      people's word on that, though I don't think it's the most
      important thing.<br>
      <br>
      The default style will be overridden with our own, no matter what
      framework we'll be using. So style is irrelevant here really. I
      agree that people should stop using the Bootstrap style
      everywhere, it looks lame (but the same can be said for Topcoat
      once it gets adopted more).<br>
      <br>
      I've downloaded Topcoat and had a look inside. I don't see any
      components, just a few simple element stylings. If that all
      Topcoat is, it probably makes more sense to do all the CSS custom,
      as it will be almost as much work as retheming everything and
      there's not really a point having a CSS framework at all then. We
      can grab our missing components from Bootstrap (or something
      else), and make some components from scratch where the Bootstrap
      components are suboptimal.<br>
      <br>
      So the style elements being equal, I think Bootstrap would give us
      a head start due to a better selection of components that we need.
      So I want to vouch for that one.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Hylke<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 08/07/2013 21:55, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">If Luke/Kris want to use Topcoat for a good number
        of reasons, I am +9001 on that.
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Kris
          Borchers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:kris@redhat.com" target="_blank">kris@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Topcoat is
            a nice and clean CSS framework.<br>
            <br>
            Bootstrap is a messy framework dirtied by some half-assed JS
            based widgets that don't work well in most cases.<br>
            <br>
            The few widgets we may need could probably be done with pure
            CSS, or a small jQuery plugin. No need for the bootstrap
            mess. Also, every site using bootstrap, for the most part,
            still looks like bootstrap and that's annoying.<br>
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                On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Bruno Oliveira &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:bruno@abstractj.org">bruno@abstractj.org</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                <br>
                &gt; I'm not a UI specialist, but I do like Topcoat<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Lucas Holmquist wrote:<br>
                &gt;&gt; Starting a new thread for this:<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt; I would like to reboot the discussion of
                css frameworks<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt; the 2 that are in question are bootstrap
                and topcoat.<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt; i would like to here why one is "better"
                than the other. or why the<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt; preference.<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt;&gt;&gt; Ready, Go.<br>
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