<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jul 9, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Hylke Bons <<a href="mailto:hbons@redhat.com">hbons@redhat.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br>
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I can't judge the implementation or performance. I'll take
people's word on that, though I don't think it's the most
important thing.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>On mobile, performance is one of the most important things both in terms of perceived performance from the user (i.e. does this app "feel" fast and react to my interaction appropriately) and actual performance (i.e. draining the battery). That will be more important than having a fancy menu or a date picker any day.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
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The default style will be overridden with our own, no matter what
framework we'll be using. So style is irrelevant here really. I
agree that people should stop using the Bootstrap style
everywhere, it looks lame (but the same can be said for Topcoat
once it gets adopted more).<br>
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I've downloaded Topcoat and had a look inside. I don't see any
components, just a few simple element stylings.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>What components do we (AeroGear) "need" that we can't just use a little plugin for or roll our own? I feel like a base of some nicely styled native components is perfect, not to mention much leaner.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="moz-cite-prefix"> If that all
Topcoat is, it probably makes more sense to do all the CSS custom,
as it will be almost as much work as retheming everything and
there's not really a point having a CSS framework at all then.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>This makes no sense to me. Topcoat has a complete, and easy to use theming system based on Stylus and built with Grunt. You change a few variables for colors, font sizes, etc., then add some of your own custom styles on top to make it your own.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="moz-cite-prefix"> We
can grab our missing components from Bootstrap (or something
else), and make some components from scratch where the Bootstrap
components are suboptimal.<br>
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So the style elements being equal, I think Bootstrap would give us
a head start due to a better selection of components that we need.
So I want to vouch for that one.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I think a selection of components is one of the least important items on the list in terms of what AeroGear needs as a project.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="moz-cite-prefix">
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Thanks,<br>
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Hylke<br>
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On 08/07/2013 21:55, Matthias Wessendorf wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If Luke/Kris want to use Topcoat for a good number
of reasons, I am +9001 on that.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Kris
Borchers <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kris@redhat.com" target="_blank">kris@redhat.com</a>></span>
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a nice and clean CSS framework.<br>
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Bootstrap is a messy framework dirtied by some half-assed JS
based widgets that don't work well in most cases.<br>
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The few widgets we may need could probably be done with pure
CSS, or a small jQuery plugin. No need for the bootstrap
mess. Also, every site using bootstrap, for the most part,
still looks like bootstrap and that's annoying.<br>
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On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Bruno Oliveira <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bruno@abstractj.org">bruno@abstractj.org</a>>
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> I'm not a UI specialist, but I do like Topcoat<br>
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> Lucas Holmquist wrote:<br>
>> Starting a new thread for this:<br>
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>>> I would like to reboot the discussion of
css frameworks<br>
>>><br>
>>> the 2 that are in question are bootstrap
and topcoat.<br>
>>><br>
>>> i would like to here why one is "better"
than the other. or why the<br>
>>> preference.<br>
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>>> Ready, Go.<br>
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