<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Karel Piwko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kpiwko@redhat.com" target="_blank">kpiwko@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:18:40 -0300<br>
Douglas Campos <<a href="mailto:qmx@qmx.me">qmx@qmx.me</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks Karel for the well balanced email.<br>
><br>
> This discussion will never reach an agreement, because it's a biased<br>
> discussion, and we do have personal preferences involved - I for one<br>
> can't stand Groovy.<br>
<br>
</div>We need to reach at some for of (temporary) agreement. QE needs to continue<br>
developing tests and so far we are simply "stuck" in the middle of discussion<br>
whether to continue with current tooling or not.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>My current preference is - long term - using Java.<br></div><div><br></div><div>IMO this does NOT need to be ported now, as we speak, but soon.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>After my vacation (End of August / early Sep.) I am happy to help porting the tests to Java, but not now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Matthias</div><div><br></div><div> </div>
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<div class="im"><br>
><br>
> And that's the reason I strongly advocate for keeping it to Java - this<br>
> is a Groovy vs Java, while it should've been X vs Java - Scala specs2,<br>
> RSpec (via JRuby), Jasmine or Mocha (via DynJS or Rhino) - Heck, even<br>
> Clojure would be easier to work than Java.<br>
<br>
</div>Cradle of best Czech beer for anybody who adds Arquillian support into<br>
Jasmine or Mocha ;-)<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
> Unless we have a broad discussion over all those languages (which<br>
> honestly I don't think we have time for that) we should stick to the<br>
> lowest common denominator, which is (unfortunately) Java.<br>
><br>
> fwiw, I can see the value of s/Groovy/dynamic JVM lang for tests/ - any<br>
> of them would fit the bill - what I can't let go is the partiality of<br>
> the debate.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 01:03:43PM +0200, Karel Piwko wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > let me summarize the discussion from previous threads:<br>
> ><br>
> > What were testing requirements?<br>
> > * Do not mock<br>
> > * Cover both backend and frontend testing at the same time<br>
> > * Control test env from tests/Maven, so it runs on both CI and local machine<br>
> > without any setup required<br>
> > => Those 3 requirements limited us to use Arquillian<br>
> > * Cover unified push server specifications in readable way<br>
> ><br>
> > Why Groovy instead of Java?<br>
> > + Better support for JSON<br>
> > + Spock provides very nice BDD support<br>
> > + Still supports anything Java would do<br>
> ><br>
> > What problems we faced with Groovy?<br>
> > - Needs specific compiler - solved, configured for tests only<br>
> > - Needs support in IDE - Intellij - ootb, Eclipse and NetBeans have<br>
> > plugins<br>
> > - Needs to be deployed in test deployment - not addressed now, prolongs test<br>
> > execution by few seconds per deployment<br>
> ><br>
> > What are currently raised concerns?<br>
> > - Different language for development and testing<br>
> > - Raises bar for newcomers willing to write tests<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you for additional advantages, concerns or proving some of those are<br>
> > not valid.<br>
> ><br>
> > Karel<br>
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