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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/28/2014 12:37 PM, Matthias
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:36 PM,
            Summers Pittman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                    <div>On 01/28/2014 12:32 PM, Matthias Wessendorf
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 28, 2014
                            at 6:32 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <span
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                                      <div>On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 6:26
                                        PM, Summers Pittman <span
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                                                <div>On 01/28/2014 12:13
                                                  PM, Matthias
                                                  Wessendorf wrote:<br>
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                                                        Tue, Jan 28,
                                                        2014 at 6:08 PM,
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                                                          <div>On
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                                                          11:46 AM,
                                                          Matthias
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                                                          Tue, Jan 28,
                                                          2014 at 4:48
                                                          PM, Lucas
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                                                          On Jan 28,
                                                          2014, at 10:30
                                                          AM, Summers
                                                          Pittman &lt;<a
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                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          &gt; On
                                                          01/28/2014
                                                          09:36 AM,
                                                          Lucas
                                                          Holmquist
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; yup,
                                                          this is
                                                          another Data
                                                          Sync thread,<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                          From a client
                                                          side
                                                          perspective, i
                                                          have concerns
                                                          that there is
                                                          still not a
                                                          clear
                                                          direction yet.<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt; I
                                                          know there are
                                                          multiple ideas
                                                          floating
                                                          around on what
                                                          our model
                                                          should be,
                                                          &nbsp;i'm all for
                                                          choice, but
                                                          what about
                                                          deciding on 1
                                                          model to get
                                                          started with.
                                                          &nbsp;Then later
                                                          once we have
                                                          this nailed
                                                          down, &nbsp;we can
                                                          have other
                                                          "adapters"
                                                          with different
                                                          models perhaps<br>
                                                          &gt; All the
                                                          data model is
                                                          is an envelope
                                                          of sync
                                                          metadata
                                                          around an
                                                          object<br>
                                                          &gt; right?<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          right<br>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; We also
                                                          need to think
                                                          about the API
                                                          and
                                                          server/client
                                                          protocol as
                                                          well.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; I think
                                                          that for sync
                                                          1.0 we could
                                                          focus on the
                                                          following
                                                          behavior (it<br>
                                                          &gt; worked
                                                          for my demos
                                                          at least)<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; 1. &nbsp;We
                                                          have a Sync
                                                          factory
                                                          similar to
                                                          Pipeline,
                                                          Authenticator,<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          Registrar, and
                                                          KeyService.<br>
                                                          &gt; 2. &nbsp;The
                                                          Sync factory
                                                          consumes/manages
                                                          Synchronizer
                                                          instances.<br>
                                                          &gt; 3. &nbsp;AG
                                                          Synchronizer
                                                          listens for
                                                          sync messages
                                                          using
                                                          UnifiedPush
                                                          endpoints.<br>
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                                                          i thought for
                                                          a 1.0 we
                                                          weren't
                                                          thinking about
                                                          "realtime"<br>
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                                                          <div>that is
                                                          my impression
                                                          as well,
                                                          talking to Dan
                                                          on IRC;</div>
                                                          <div>ATM all
                                                          is polling,
                                                          but the
                                                          sync-server
                                                          will be cable
                                                          of doing
                                                          WebSocket/SockJS,
                                                          so "connected"
                                                          clients, can
                                                          sync.</div>
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                                                          Polling is
                                                          MURDER on
                                                          battery,
                                                          performance,
                                                          and "feel".&nbsp;
                                                          WebSockets and
                                                          SockJS are
                                                          awesome ideas
                                                          for a future
                                                          implementation
                                                          for "real
                                                          time".</div>
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                                                        <div>As far as I
                                                          understood it,
                                                          the
                                                          sync-server
                                                          just started
                                                          w/ polling
                                                          (pure HTTP). I
                                                          think that
                                                          WebSocket/SockJS
                                                          is not really
                                                          that far away,
                                                          in terms of
                                                          'future'</div>
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                                                          <div>Push
                                                          should be
                                                          really used
                                                          for 'wake-up',
                                                          instead of
                                                          changing real
                                                          information;
                                                          Also
                                                          SimplePush
                                                          clients could
                                                          not even
                                                          integrate here
                                                          (the protocol
                                                          just uses
                                                          version (or
                                                          timestamps)</div>
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                                                          Yes.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On the topic
                                                          of Simple
                                                          Push, you push
                                                          a URL so in
                                                          theory you
                                                          could push
                                                          /Documents/${collecitonName}/${id}/${rev_id}
                                                          and have
                                                          simple push
                                                          setup to
                                                          accept URLS
                                                          formatted that
                                                          way right?&nbsp; Or
                                                          is it more
                                                          limited than
                                                          that?</div>
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                                                        <div>you can
                                                          simply ONLY
                                                          push a version
                                                          number, that's
                                                          it</div>
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                                            I just reread things.&nbsp; It is
                                            worse than that.&nbsp; You can
                                            (should) only push an
                                            increasing version number.&nbsp;
                                            So anything checksum based
                                            will fail.</div>
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                                    <div>best practice is 'timestamp' -
                                      that's all you can push over to
                                      those devices</div>
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                            <div> for a good reason&nbsp; <br>
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                Yeah.&nbsp; I keep forgetting how simple simplepush is.<br>
                <br>
                My original though on simple push was that a client to
                register as a listener for /Documents/Collections and it
                would receive pushes to /Documents/Collections/foo/bar.&nbsp;
                I was totally wrong :)<br>
                <br>
                This gives a much better context to everything that is
                also going on.</div>
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            <div>you are now buying the real-time ? <br>
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    I still say skipping push initiated sync and going straight to real
    time isn't a great first release idea.<br>
    <br>
    What I am buying now is [polling]-&gt;[push initialed]-&gt;[beefing
    up push adapters to include good mqtt and websocket]-&gt;[real time]<br>
    <br>
    In my earlier real time text demo I wrote a websocket push adapter
    so there exists code to help with that hump.<br>
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                                                          &gt; 4. &nbsp;AG
                                                          Synchronizer
                                                          sends sync
                                                          messages using
                                                          Pipes<br>
                                                          &gt; 5. &nbsp;AG
                                                          Synchronizer
                                                          holds local
                                                          data in a
                                                          store<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; 6. &nbsp;When
                                                          AGSynchronizer
                                                          gets a message
                                                          it is
                                                          responsible
                                                          for updating<br>
                                                          &gt; the Store
                                                          and then
                                                          notifying code
                                                          listing for
                                                          updates OR for
                                                          notifying<br>
                                                          &gt; the code
                                                          that an error
                                                          has occurred
                                                          and needs to
                                                          be addressed.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; 7. &nbsp;When
                                                          the developer
                                                          updates data
                                                          in the store,
                                                          the
                                                          synchronizer<br>
                                                          &gt; should
                                                          package that
                                                          data and send
                                                          it to the
                                                          server. &nbsp;The
                                                          synchronizer
                                                          is<br>
                                                          &gt;
                                                          responsible
                                                          for error
                                                          handling,
                                                          retrying,
                                                          back-off, etc.<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; 8. &nbsp;We
                                                          should include
                                                          multiple
                                                          synchronizer
                                                          implementations
                                                          to deal with<br>
                                                          &gt; multiple
                                                          very simple
                                                          use cases
                                                          which involve
                                                          legacy
                                                          systems. (For<br>
                                                          &gt; instance
                                                          polling to
                                                          load static
                                                          data on a
                                                          schedule.)<br>
                                                          &gt;<br>
                                                          &gt; Thoughts?
                                                          Tomatoes?<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                          &gt;&gt;
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                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Matthias
                                                          Wessendorf <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          blog: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/</a><br>
                                                          sessions: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf"
                                                          target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf</a><br>
                                                          twitter: <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/mwessendorf" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mwessendorf</a>
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                                                          target="_blank">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev</a><br>
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                                                      -- <br>
                                                      Matthias
                                                      Wessendorf <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      blog: <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/</a><br>
                                                      sessions: <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf</a><br>
                                                      twitter: <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/mwessendorf" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mwessendorf</a>
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                                                  <pre>_______________________________________________
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                                            target="_blank">aerogear-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev"
                                            target="_blank">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev</a><br>
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                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
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                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      -- <br>
                                      Matthias Wessendorf <br>
                                      <br>
                                      blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/"
                                        target="_blank">http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/</a><br>
                                      sessions: <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf"
                                        target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf</a><br>
                                      twitter: <a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://twitter.com/mwessendorf"
                                        target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mwessendorf</a>
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                          </div>
                          <br>
                          <br clear="all">
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          -- <br>
                          Matthias Wessendorf <br>
                          <br>
                          blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/"
                            target="_blank">http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/</a><br>
                          sessions: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf"
                            target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf</a><br>
                          twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://twitter.com/mwessendorf"
                            target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mwessendorf</a>
                        </div>
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                      <br>
                      <pre>_______________________________________________
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                href="mailto:aerogear-dev@lists.jboss.org">aerogear-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev"
                target="_blank">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev</a><br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          <br>
          <br clear="all">
          <div><br>
          </div>
          -- <br>
          Matthias Wessendorf <br>
          <br>
          blog: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/"
            target="_blank">http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/</a><br>
          sessions: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf</a><br>
          twitter: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://twitter.com/mwessendorf" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mwessendorf</a>
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