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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/29/2014 03:03 AM, Matthias
      Wessendorf wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:22 PM,
            Summers Pittman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                  <div>On 01/28/2014 11:11 AM, Corinne Krych wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">I think we still need the
                      synchronisation mode in pull mode.
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                      <div>How are we going to deal with this use case
                        with simple push:
                        <div>UserA is offline update some data, then
                          switch off his phone</div>
                        <div>Some other users update data</div>
                        <div>UserA open his app, he has missed some push
                          notifications but still want to sync his app.</div>
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                That is the magic of Push systems.&nbsp; He gets the messages
                when he comes online.<br>
                <br>
                Device A and B and Server have data with a checksum of
                42.<br>
                Device A goes offline.<br>
                Device A changes its data and has a checksum of 64.<br>
                Device B changes its data and has a checksum of 192.<br>
                Device B sends the expected server checksum of 42 and
                its new data to the server.&nbsp; <br>
                Server accepts B's Data, updates its checksum to 192,
                and sends a message to all Devices ( in this case just
                A)<br>
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            <div>sending the data does not work via 'mobile push' - we
              need something like 'real-time' for that sending;</div>
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    Well it does work with GCM.&nbsp; In this example I was specifically
    thinking about using a Pipe to send data.&nbsp; Honestly that is an
    implementation detail and can be hand waved in any number of ways.<br>
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                Device B and Server go on a long date, but things don't
                work out and they end up splitting the check 50/50.&nbsp;
                Device B is annoyed because she only got a salad but
                Server got the Surf and Turf.<br>
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                Device A comes online and receives a message from the
                server.&nbsp; <br>
                Device A notices the server's checksum data is a change
                from 42 -&gt; 192 and not 42 -&gt; 64.&nbsp; Thus its copy is
                out of sync and fires a message to the User of Device A
                to resolve the data.<br>
                User A resolves the data and Device A sends the merged
                data to the server.<br>
                Device B gets a message of new data and updates to what
                the server has.
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                        <div>Corinne</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2014
                          17:01, Summers Pittman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                              <div>On 01/28/2014 10:58 AM, Lucas
                                Holmquist wrote:<br>
                                &gt; On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:54 AM,
                                Summers Pittman &lt;<a
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                                wrote:<br>
                                &gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt; On 01/28/2014 10:48 AM, Lucas
                                Holmquist wrote:<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt; On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:30
                                AM, Summers Pittman &lt;<a
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                                wrote:<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 01/28/2014 09:36 AM,
                                Lucas Holmquist wrote:<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; yup, this is
                                another Data Sync thread,<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp;From a client
                                side perspective, i have concerns that
                                there is still not a clear direction
                                yet.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I know there are
                                multiple ideas floating around on what
                                our model should be, &nbsp;i'm all for
                                choice, but what about deciding on 1
                                model to get started with. &nbsp;Then later
                                once we have this nailed down, &nbsp;we can
                                have other "adapters" with different
                                models perhaps<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; All the data model is
                                is an envelope of sync metadata around
                                an object<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; right?<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt; right<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We also need to think
                                about the API and server/client protocol
                                as well.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I think that for sync
                                1.0 we could focus on the following
                                behavior (it<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; worked for my demos at
                                least)<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. &nbsp;We have a Sync
                                factory similar to Pipeline,
                                Authenticator,<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Registrar, and
                                KeyService.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2. &nbsp;The Sync factory
                                consumes/manages Synchronizer instances.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 3. &nbsp;AG Synchronizer
                                listens for sync messages using
                                UnifiedPush endpoints.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt; i thought for a 1.0 we
                                weren't thinking about "realtime"<br>
                                &gt;&gt; When I hear realtime I think
                                sub 100 ms updates to all clients.
                                (think<br>
                                &gt;&gt; gaming)<br>
                                &gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt; What I thought we were going
                                for was something closer to email. &nbsp;The<br>
                                &gt;&gt; data gets changed and at some
                                point in the future the client knows.
                                More<br>
                                &gt;&gt; specifically, the thing the ONE
                                thing that makes sync special is it is a<br>
                                &gt;&gt; push instead of poll
                                implementation.<br>
                                &gt; this makes sense, &nbsp;but i guess it
                                would be push when available. thinking
                                web and crappy web socket support( dang
                                you carriers )<br>
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                            Right. &nbsp;I'm not saying lets do something
                            complicated. &nbsp;I'm saying lets<br>
                            use GCM, iOS CM, and simple push to send
                            notifications to tell the<br>
                            client something. &nbsp;In simplePush case it is
                            "this data changed, get the<br>
                            new stuff and update yourself". &nbsp;In Android
                            and iOS case it may be that<br>
                            or it may be "here is new data".<br>
                            <br>
                            In general, I am fine for getting a message
                            saying something like<br>
                            Documents/Schedules/1/${revision}. &nbsp;Then I
                            can check my revisions, fetch<br>
                            data if necessary, update my local data, and
                            send any updates. &nbsp;That<br>
                            SHOULD (I think) be doable with simplepush
                            as well right?<br>
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                                &gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 4. &nbsp;AG Synchronizer
                                sends sync messages using Pipes<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 5. &nbsp;AG Synchronizer
                                holds local data in a store<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 6. &nbsp;When AGSynchronizer
                                gets a message it is responsible for
                                updating<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the Store and then
                                notifying code listing for updates OR
                                for notifying<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the code that an error
                                has occurred and needs to be addressed.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 7. &nbsp;When the developer
                                updates data in the store, the
                                synchronizer<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; should package that
                                data and send it to the server. &nbsp;The
                                synchronizer is<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; responsible for error
                                handling, retrying, back-off, etc.<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 8. &nbsp;We should include
                                multiple synchronizer implementations to
                                deal with<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; multiple very simple
                                use cases which involve legacy systems.
                                (For<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; instance polling to
                                load static data on a schedule.)<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thoughts? Tomatoes?<br>
                                &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
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