<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Sebastien Blanc <<a href="mailto:scm.blanc@gmail.com">scm.blanc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">That's why I mentioned When.js for an eventual 2.0 fallback lib <div>"<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:20px">When.js is a rock solid, battle-tested </span><a href="http://promises-aplus.github.com/promises-spec" style="color:rgb(65,131,196);text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:20px">Promises/A+</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:20px"> and </span><code style="font-family:Consolas,'Liberation Mono',Courier,monospace;font-size:12px;margin:0px;border:1px solid rgb(221,221,221);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-top-left-radius:3px;border-top-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-right-radius:3px;border-bottom-left-radius:3px;max-width:100%;display:inline-block;overflow:auto;vertical-align:middle;line-height:1.3;padding:0px;white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(51,51,51)">when()</code><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:20px"> implementation, including a complete </span><a href="https://github.com/cujojs/when/blob/master/docs/es6-promise-shim.md" style="color:rgb(65,131,196);text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,arial,freesans,clean,sans-serif;font-size:15.199999809265137px;line-height:20px">ES6 Promise shim</a>"</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>if we do it right, a user could use any promise lib that is to spec</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Lucas Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com" target="_blank">lholmqui@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:scm.blanc@gmail.com" target="_blank">scm.blanc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com" target="_blank">lholmqui@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <<a href="mailto:tolisemm@gmail.com" target="_blank">tolisemm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matzew@apache.org" target="_blank">matzew@apache.org</a>></span>:<br>
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I agree that it would be nice to implement <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AGJS-70" rel="12499200" target="_blank">AGJS-70</a> (Investigate removing jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery dependency. </div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax and the promise implementation.<div><br></div><div>i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from source ), but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib.</div>
<div><br></div><div>and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at.</div><div><br></div><div>Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some random thing for the filter method, which could probably be updated ). <br>
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</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to spec, such as Q and RSVP, here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article </div><div><a href="http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/" target="_blank">http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/</a></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo, it's maybe also worth looking <a href="https://github.com/cujojs/when" target="_blank">https://github.com/cujojs/when</a></div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing. Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js lib] goes away.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div>I know but I'm more concerned about "Once the API is part of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep supporting them.</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>i will have to update the roadmap.</div><div><br></div><div>2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch, but we can start experimenting now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox 29( next version ) will too. Safari and IE are in dev i believe</div><div><br></div><div>for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method here "Promise.cast", </div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div>please strike this comment from the record, i'm an idiot :)</div><div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib )</div>
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Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies</div><div><br></div><div>-M</div><div><br> <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like, that Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for multipart</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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