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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/09/2015 12:50 PM, Matthias
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class="">On 03/09/2015 12:15 PM, Erik Jan de Wit wrote:<br>
>> Because Facebook and Google are well known for
not making arbitrary changes to public apis and
configurations.<br>
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>> More importantly as an Open Source project
hitching our code to the configuration of a third party
proprietary system is terrifyingly bad karma. Push is
an exception ONLY because there isn't an equvalent open
solution which has the same reach to devices.<br>
> It’s just some configuration, what point does
oauth2 have when it doesn’t work with Facebook and
Google.<br>
</span>/me looks at the shoot and share demo, and the
gdrive demo.<br>
Looks like it does work with FB and Google. Did you have
a specific<br>
example in mind?<br>
<span class="">> The whole point of our libs is to make
it easy for developers to do these complex things adding
this config makes it super easy. I don’t see:
”Terrifyingly bad karma” a good reason not to do this.<br>
</span>Because it is hitching our open source project to
the largess of<br>
proprietary service vendors. If they change THEIR
configuration and OUR<br>
libraries break WE look like the bad guys not them for
starters.<br>
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<div>That happened with push (Google's documentation, not
the APIs) in the past, and may happen again. We reacted
pretty quick on that one, which is what matters. If we
would not react, we would look bad.</div>
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If we don't hard code their configuration into the API then when
they change it we don't look bad. WIN-WIN<br>
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<div>Perhaps we can add a statement that the code executes
against a 3rd party service, that we don't own. That can
even happen with differen Keycloak versions. However,
usually actual API changes from the big players are
usually announced, and it's usually comes with a little
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Back to who is responsible for monitoring the changes from these
guys?<br>
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Additionally the only direction this can go is toward
scope creep. Once<br>
we have Facebook and Google nothing is stopping
(rhetorically) from<br>
adding Facebook, Yahoo, VK, Microsoft, etc. Now we are
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<div>I'd not add more, out of the blue. But if there is
demand (from which ever direction), it's time to react on
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Fair enough. We have demand from VK already so why not add that on
in right now?<br>
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going to monitor those<br>
APIs and make sure they don't break/get deprecated? Do we
cut a release<br>
because one auth provider changed their config?<br>
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Of course we don't because that is the responsibility of
the app<br>
developer to make sure their configuration for the
services they consume<br>
is up to date. It is not and should not be our
responsibility.<br>
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I freely admit it is nice and it is convenient but it does
not belong in<br>
the project.<br>
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<div>Instead, we don't offer any concrete impls for Google
or Facebook? Or use a complicated and generic API, which
may work, or not? </div>
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