<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">If we stick with the —mobile flag proposal setting up the service broker and default org is not enough. Don’t we need to install our custom resource definitions too?<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 12.01.2018 um 13:21 schrieb Matthias Wessendorf <<a href="mailto:mwessend@redhat.com" class="">mwessend@redhat.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I was about to say, that I'd be not surprised if there is not that much interest in brining this in...<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Currently they have "oc cluster ACTION [options]", </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">and for the "up" action, they list a bunch of options, including installing (experimental) bits, like: Cassandra/Hawkular), via the --metrics option</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Craig Brookes <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:cbrookes@redhat.com" target="_blank" class="">cbrookes@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">While that is an interesting proposal around the addons, I would suggest waiting for the OpenShift team to get back on your issue. Adding a plugin structure to oc is likely a much bigger piece of work and need a lot more engagement from the OpenShift team. <div class="">That doesn't mean a different proposal for this approach could not be made however, but rather that our current proposal covers our immediate need and has clear prior art.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mwessend@redhat.com" target="_blank" class="">mwessend@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I'd actually prefer more --mobile - which than does exactly what we need </div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="m_7045290411336723855h5"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Phil Brookes <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:pbrookes@redhat.com" target="_blank" class="">pbrookes@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="m_7045290411336723855m_-104941810818098801m_-3104736634996643885markdown-here-wrapper"><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">I’ve discussed this privately with Wojciech as I had misunderstood his suggestion, so here’s my attempt to clarify the discussion:</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Rather than inserting our mobile oriented tasks into the upstream tool (oc), which doesn’t provide value to all users of that tool but rather only to the users who are interested in the mobile use-case; we should instead modify the tool so that it can accept addons, similar (ideally, identical) to minishift addons.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">The proposal here would be something like:</p>
<pre style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;font-size:1em;line-height:1.2em;margin:1.2em 0px" class=""><code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;overflow:auto;border-radius:3px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0.5em 0.7em;display:block!important" class="">oc cluster addons install mobilecore
oc cluster addons enable mobilecore
oc cluster up
</code></pre><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">There a few benefits to this solution:</p>
<ul style="margin:1.2em 0px;padding-left:2em" class="">
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">There is a clear value-add to the upstream tool</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">We only need to maintain one mobilecore plugin for both minishift and oc cluster up</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">The barrier to entry for mobile developers is low</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">The process for setting up a local cluster is the same with both tools</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">Future changes to the setup process of the Mobile-Core can be submitted to our own repo</li>
</ul><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">@Wojciech please correct me, if I’ve still misunderstood anything!</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Regards,<br class="">Phil.</p>
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<ul style="margin:1.2em 0px;padding-left:2em" class="">
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">Add parameters to oc cluster up, to be able to configure the ansible-service-broker with custom docker credentials and docker org to pull in the ASBs from.</li>
<li style="margin:0.5em 0px" class="">Add the —mobile flag to enable the Mobile-Core UI extension.</li>
</ul><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">With the intention of making this an easier change to adopt.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">If that is correct then I am happy to proceed this way and I can update the proposal to reflect this as a route to implementation.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Maybe it would be best to bring this discussion to the proposal so that the OpenShift team also have access to it?</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Thanks,<br class="">Phil.</p>
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<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mwessend@redhat.com" target="_blank" class="">mwessend@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">+9001</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="m_7045290411336723855m_-104941810818098801m_-3104736634996643885m_6162627243610258130m_9022117539770545965m_-1147568078975395120m_345226705507266689m_1835025079890894912h5"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 11:26 AM, Phil Brookes <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:pbrookes@redhat.com" target="_blank" class="">pbrookes@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="m_7045290411336723855m_-104941810818098801m_-3104736634996643885m_6162627243610258130m_9022117539770545965m_-1147568078975395120m_345226705507266689m_1835025079890894912m_8223018922104789878m_2272119876868493722markdown-here-wrapper"><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Hey Everyone,</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">I have opened a proposal with the OpenShift team, hoping to start a discussion around the addition of a <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline" class="">--mobile=true</code> flag to the <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline" class="">oc cluster up</code> command. Running <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);background-color:rgb(248,248,248);border-radius:3px;display:inline" class="">oc cluster up --mobile=true</code> will start a local OpenShift cluster with all of the MCP features enabled.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">This would be a great way for us to gain some exposure for the Mobile Core and get it into the hands of developers more quickly and easily, so I’d love to see you share your thoughts on this idea. You can review / comment / support it here:<br class=""><a href="https://github.com/openshift/origin/issues/18089" target="_blank" class="">https://github.com/openshift/o<wbr class="">rigin/issues/18089</a></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1.2em!important" class="">Thanks,<br class="">Phil.</p>
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