[Aerogear-users] categories have been hijacked

Mon Apr 18 11:23:06 EDT 2016

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Summers Pittman <supittma at redhat.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew at apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Coming back to this, after a loooooooooooooong, looooooong time...
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Summers Pittman <supittma at redhat.com>
>> Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Aerogear-users] categories have been hijacked
>> To: aerogear-users at lists.jboss.org
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Kelvin Lunsford <kelvin at qantel.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Summers,
>>>
>>> GCM topic messages go to all devices registered for the topic. Topic
>>> notifications cannot be restricted to an alias or list of aliases.
>>>
>>> The way it worked before, and still works on ios, you can send a command
>>> to UPS with an "alias" name AND a "categories" name and it will only go to
>>> devices that have registered using that "alias" name AND that "categories"
>>> name.  UPS finds which devices meet the selection criteria and push
>>> notification requests are sent for those devices.
>>>
>>> Requests with aliases and categories can target specific users in a
>>> group.
>>>
>>> With real "categories" you can segment users into groups, so every
>>> device can be assigned a category, and sub-groups can be defined by using
>>> more than one category per device.  This is useful for geographic or
>>> organizational targeting.
>>>
>>> I have no problem with GCM topics. Just make it a new feature.  Give me
>>> back my categories.
>>>
>>
>> So the goal isn't to replace or hijack categories with topics. The goal
>> is to leverage Google's API fully and transparently to the UPS user so that
>> we make fewer calls and provide a better experience.  You have some great
>> use cases that haven't been brought up.  Keep in mind that the PRs open
>> right now are a "first draft" of the technology.
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTE: Between Google IO 2015 and now, April 2016, there was a change on
>> topics: No more limitations of subscribed devices! Before it was limited to
>> 1 million.
>>
>> Now, this also means options :-) We could just auto register each android
>> device to one topic (e.g. /topics/VARIANT_ID), *IF* there is no category
>> provided!
>>
>
> I think you mean always register a device to a variant specific topic.
>

yes, that's what I mean

> That way we can send all Android GCM users a message with one push message
> from the push server.
>

right

>
>
>>
>> Regarding the concerns, to 'alias' or any other criteria, my
>> understanding is that, for now, we just use GCM topic only if nothing else,
>> than the category is provided to the RESTful Sender API.
>>
>> However, we could extend our Device Group feature, and kinda group all
>> devices to a users group, and have the category play in there too. E.g.
>> have some groups like:
>> * matthias_football
>> * matthias_music
>> but the sending here, would be a message to a device group, not a category
>>
>> -Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Feel free to join in on the discussion about topics on aerogear-dev.
>> It is really important we do this right and I think you can help with that.
>>
>> Summers
>>
>>
>>> - Kelvin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: aerogear-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org [mailto:
>>> aerogear-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Summers Pittman
>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 6:12 PM
>>> To: aerogear-users at lists.jboss.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Aerogear-users] categories have been hijacked
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Kelvin Lunsford <kelvin at qantel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >Setting "categories" in the push payload was working for android and
>>> ios in cordova push plugin 1.1.1.
>>> >
>>> >For version 2.0.2 "categories" only works for ios.
>>> >
>>> >It looks like "categories" is being hijacked in android for a GCM
>>> feature called "topics".
>>> >
>>> >I liked "categories".  I was using it.  Now it's gone.  GCM topics is
>>> not a drop-in replacement.  It's not the same thing.
>>>
>>> What do categories do that topics do not do?
>>>
>>> >New features should get new names and new commands.
>>> >
>>> >- Kelvin
>>>
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