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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">+1 for "&lt;return value&gt;" too<br>
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      seb<br>
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      On 09.02.2013 12:03, Gunnar Morling wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">&lt;return
          value&gt;.</span>
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            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">--Gunnar</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/8 Emmanuel Bernard <span
            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:emmanuel@hibernate.org" target="_blank">emmanuel@hibernate.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am not a
            big fan of the retval which reminds me of Gollum skeaping
            his<br>
            name ;)<br>
            <br>
            - &lt;return value&gt;<br>
            - &lt;return&gt;<br>
            - (return value)<br>
            - (return)<br>
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            I think I like &lt;return value&gt; the best.<br>
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            As Hardy said, the name is not critical as nodes are
            identified by their<br>
            elementDescriptor.kind.<br>
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                Emmanuel<br>
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                On Fri 2013-02-08 11:19, Matt Benson wrote:<br>
                &gt; I am somewhat attracted to Sebastian's suggestion
                of illegal identifier<br>
                &gt; characters. &nbsp;My suggestion would be
                "&lt;result&gt;".<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; Matt<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hardy Ferentschik
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:hardy@hibernate.org">hardy@hibernate.org</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; I don't want to introduce a name for the
                return value to allow things like<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; if(node.getName.equals("retval")) {<br>
                &gt; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ReturnValueDescriptor descriptor =
                (ReturnValueDescriptor)<br>
                &gt; &gt; node.getElementDescriptor();<br>
                &gt; &gt; }<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; The actual type of a node is still given by it
                ElementDescriptor. The name<br>
                &gt; &gt; cannot be used for that. It is more for
                convenience<br>
                &gt; &gt; and "nice" toString implementation. Yes it
                could be ambiguous, but I don't<br>
                &gt; &gt; think it matters. Any code relying on the
                property path<br>
                &gt; &gt; as string is potentially wrong anyways. A
                white space seems odd,<br>
                &gt; &gt; especially in the light of toString.<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; In that light $retval might be a legal java
                identifier, but chances are<br>
                &gt; &gt; slim someone uses it.<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; --Hardy<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; On 8 Jan 2013, at 4:07 PM, Sebastian Thomschke
                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:sebastian.thomschke@web.de">sebastian.thomschke@web.de</a>&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
                &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt; What if there is a property or method
                called "returnValue"? I think the<br>
                &gt; &gt; constant string returned should contain a
                character that is not legal for<br>
                &gt; &gt; java identifier names. E.g. a white space.<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt; seb<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt; On <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="tel:08.02.2013%2012" value="+49802201312">08.02.2013
                  12</a>:51, Gunnar Morling wrote:<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Experts,<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; another issue where we need some
                feedback is BVAL-368, which is about<br>
                &gt; &gt; the name of path nodes representing return
                values.<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; As per the current draft,
                Node#getName() returns null in that case.<br>
                &gt; &gt; Question is, whether we should return
                something more meaningful, and if so,<br>
                &gt; &gt; which value.<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; The RI used to return "$retval"
                before we change this to match the<br>
                &gt; &gt; spec. Another obvious option would be
                "returnValue". Having a standardized<br>
                &gt; &gt; node name for return value nodes would also
                help with better toString()<br>
                &gt; &gt; implementations for j.v.Path (although that's
                not standardized).<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Any thoughts?<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; --Gunnar<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://hibernate.onjira.com/browse/BVAL-368"
                  target="_blank">https://hibernate.onjira.com/browse/BVAL-368</a><br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
                &gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
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