<div dir="auto">I think the issue is that Guillaume and I are viewing the group sequence as a simple, ordered set of instructions, whereas you, Gunnar, are viewing it more as a dependency graph. I will confess that I am having difficulty rising to your challenge of providing an example that would be indisputably cyclical without having sat down at a computer or with pen and paper to postulate one. In the meantime I wonder if there is anything in the spec to encourage this "dependency graph" interpretation of what a group sequence is. Having said that, it is probably true that a user who had set up such a situation as this had done so unintentionally. OTOH, the second attempt at validating the time consuming checks would be a noop in any case.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Matt</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 8:36 AM Guillaume Smet <<a href="mailto:guillaume.smet@gmail.com">guillaume.smet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Gunnar Morling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gunnar@hibernate.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">gunnar@hibernate.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">If not that, what else would you consider as a cycle in the context of group sequence definitions then?<div><br></div>This sequence definition here says: "validate TimeConsumingChecks *before<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">*</span> TestEntity" and "validate TimeConsumingChecks <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">*</span>after<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">*</span> TestEntity", aborting after the first group found with violated constraints. There's no way to implement this.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not saying it makes sense but I could imagine validating TimeConsumingChecks then TestEntity then TimeConsumingChecks again.<br><br></div><div>If we consider this a cyclic dependency, then the test is indeed valid. The name is not very descriptive but it's not wrong either.<br><br>-- <br></div><div>Guillaume<br></div></div></div></div>
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