[cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization

[Jozef Hartinger]

If we want applications to be portable across different implementations 
then the spec should require the least common multiple - that is beans 
that belong to passivating scopes being serializable. TomEE/OWB is free 
to have a mode in which passivation requirements are not checked if the 
server runs in non-passivating mode.

On 02/03/2015 11:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> servlet spec requirement is only for distributed systems AFAIK == not
> required in most of instances.
> tomee supports both and is aligned on tomcat for all tomee flavors and
> is serialization-less in openejb flavors
>
> That said this is not a certification question but a usage question
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
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> 2015-02-03 10:59 GMT+01:00 Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com>:
>> What about TomEE?
>> After all it's Java EE 6 certified:
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html
>>
>> So as Mark mentioned briefly, there is a requirement by the Servlet spec, so
>> I assume it is either always on or at least on by default (otherwise a TomEE
>> "tweaked" like that would no longer be Java EE compliant;-)
>>
>> Tomcat itself was never certified.
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
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>>> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:50:44 +0100
>>> From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] Clarify scopes and serialization
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>>> in a standard tomcat yes but not in most of embedded ones...and that's
>>> not the point anyway
>>>
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>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>> 2015-02-02 16:50 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>>>> but you HAVE to manually switch it off. By _default_ the serialization
>>>> is on...
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 2 February 2015, 16:42, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>> <rmannibucau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> @Mark: that's not true. 1) you can switch it off + I mainly spoke of
>>>>> embedded case where it is true in 80% of cases
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-02-02 16:38 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <struberg at yahoo.de>:
>>>>>>   Romain, that's not true. Tomcat by default ALWAYS serializes the
>>>>> session at shutdown! Even if you don't have a cluster set up. This is
>>>>> also
>>>>> required by the Servlets spec...
>>>>>>   LieGrue,
>>>>>>   strub
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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