<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Very cool, all of this. I like it!<br></span></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Luigi</div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Dan Allen <dan.j.allen@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> cdi-dev <cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 30, 2012 8:59 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cdi-dev] CDI have any plan to process
Transaction?<br> </font> </div> <br>
Over in DeltaSpike we are currently discussing the jpa module. Plans are to implement it there as portable extension. I see no need why we need to duplicate the effort by implementing it in both Weld and OWB ;)<br><br>The big benefit of this approach is that this will also run on any CDI-1.0 container!<br><br><br>LieGrue,<br>strub<br><br>>________________________________<br>> From: Dan Allen <<a ymailto="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com" href="mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com">dan.j.allen@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: Pete Muir <<a ymailto="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com" href="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com">pmuir@redhat.com</a>> <br>>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org" href="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org">cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org</a> <br>>Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:42 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [cdi-dev] CDI have any plan to process Transaction?<br>> <br>><br>>I molded this into a mini blog. Pete, if you are interested, feel free to
post this as it will likely solve a wider misunderstanding from going around:<br>><br>><br>>"A standard, universal @Transactional annotation is coming in Java EE 7. However, there are some important things to keep in mind:<br>><br>><br>>- @Transactional *is* being developed as a revision to the JTA spec (as an MR)<br>>- @Transactional *is not* being developed by the CDI EG, nor will it be in the CDI spec<br>>- Feedback on @Transactional should be sent to the Java EE platform EG *not* to the CDI EG. The platform EG is conducting the revision to the JTA spec.<br>><br>><br>>Java EE does not recognize a Servlet container as a compliant environment and therefore this feature will not be available there by default (mainly due to the absence of JTA in this environemnt).<br>><br>><br>>However, to bridge the divide, Weld and OpenWebBeans will both likely offer support for @Transactional in a Servlet environment since we
acknowledge that it *is* important, and is an environment preferred by many developers (but we still strongly urge you to migrate to the web profile!!)."<br>><br>><br>>-Dan<br>><br>>On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 04:55, Pete Muir <<a ymailto="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com" href="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com">pmuir@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>Just to be 100% clear, as there is a lot of confusion around this topic.<br>>><br>>>* @Transactional *IS NOT* being developed by the CDI EG nor will it be in the CDI spec<br>>>* @Transactional *IS* being developed as a revision to the JTA spec (as a MR IIRC, but that was not my/our decision to make)<br>>>* Feedback on @Trasnactional should be sent to the Java EE platform EG NOT to the CDI EG. The platform EG is conducting the revision to the JTA spec.<br>>><br>>>HTH!<br>>><br>>><br>>>On 30 Apr 2012, at 09:19, Pete Muir
wrote:<br>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 29 Apr 2012, at 23:12, Dan Allen wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Am I correct in saying that the annotation will control JTA<br>>>><br>>>> Yes, this will be an amendment to the JTA spec AIUI. So back where it belongs!<br>>>><br>>>>> and work in either of the two profiles (web and full)?<br>>>><br>>>> We haven't discussed this, but I'm assuming both. I will raise this.<br>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> Btw, Java EE does not recognize a Servlet container as a compliant environment and therefore this feature will not be available there (without special support for it).<br>>>><br>>>> Correct. Main obstacle is actually a lack of JTA there, rather than the declarative control… But I think OWB and Weld will both offer something here as we all regard it as
important!<br>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> I agree with this stance since the web profile should be recognized as the low end environment. Otherwise there is not enough core services to provide a dependable and portable programming model. If you (general audience) want to use a Servlet container, you aren't using Java EE and will have to supplement with addons like CDI extensions or Spring.<br>>>>><br>>>>> -Dan<br>>>>><br>>>>> --<br>>>>> Sent from my CyanogenMod-powered<br>>>>> Android device, an open platform for<br>>>>> carriers, developers and consumers.<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Apr 27, 2012 4:54 AM, "Pete Muir" <<a ymailto="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com" href="mailto:pmuir@redhat.com">pmuir@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> Java EE 7 will include @Transactional. This will be provided by the Java EE platform, rather
than CDI specifically. It will be a CDI interceptor, and so enabled as other CDI interceptors are.<br>>>>><br>>>>> On 24 Apr 2012, at 09:10, Hantsy Bai wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Hi,<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> I have read some content about the spec 1.1, but I want to know if there<br>>>>>> is a plan to provide a new transaction annotation...for EBJ or none EJB<br>>>>>> proramming.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> For example, provide a @Transactional annotation like Seam2 or Spring<br>>>>>> 3.1...and make it work in Servlet container(none JTA transation, jdbc<br>>>>>> only) or full profile container such as JBoss, Glassfish(JTA transaction<br>>>>>> by default) seamlessly.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Automatically detect the Transaction will be used, or configure
in<br>>>>>> beans.xml file.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Regards<br>>>>>> Hantsy<br>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>> cdi-dev mailing list<br>>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org" href="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org">cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>>>>>> <a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev" target="_blank">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev</a><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>> cdi-dev mailing list<br>>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org" href="mailto:cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org">cdi-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>>>>> <a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/cdi-dev"
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