<div dir="ltr">Antonio/all,<div><br></div><div>I fully agree. Looking at some of the highly redundant stuff (like improving and extending java.util.Calendar, beside adding JavaFX with its own isolated Date/Time solution and an almost identical Duration type in JSR 310, which itself is full of redundancies and bloating, adding ~2MB or more to the JDK without any new business value that isn't archieved by the other 3! Date/Time APIs JDK already has including FX) in Java SE 8, we must get a better solution for CDI 2, even without Jigsaw or any JDK modularization (where if done right, you could then chose to add JavaFX, JSR 310 or other stuff or just leave the "bloatware" if your app doesn't need it;-D) </div><div><br></div><div>JSRs like MEEP 8 (on the ME side) or 363 (also modular and portable across both ME 8 and varous SE versions) demonstrated how this can work, and Agorava, a "fallout" of JSR 357 using many aspects of CDI 1.x and DeltaSpike already are great examples how this could work for CDI 2, as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">
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One wise man* once said "EJB was a hype specification, we added too many<br>
things to it, it became bloated. The next hype specifications are JAX-RS<br>
and CDI, careful with them"<br>
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Either we get this idea of "parts" right, or CDI will endup being bloated.<br>
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*David Blevin<br>
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On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Antoine Sabot-Durand <<br>
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> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> You may have followed the rise and fall of the Java Config JSR (<br>
> <a href="http://javaeeconfig.blogspot.ch/2014/09/no-java-ee-configuration-for-ee8-dear.html" target="_blank">http://javaeeconfig.blogspot.ch/2014/09/no-java-ee-configuration-for-ee8-dear.html</a><br>
> ).<br>
> Anatole in CC was leading this initiative and I proposed him to join us<br>
> and explore if some part of his late-JSR could be done in CDI.<br>
><br>
> I?m mainly thinking of <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-123" target="_blank">https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-123</a> or related<br>
> solution. If we achieve to have a majority of specs to integrate with CDI,<br>
> our configuration solution would therefore become a configuration system<br>
> for all spec based on CDI 2.0.<br>
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> Antoine<br>
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