<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">One advantage of adding it to the spec is that</div><div class="gmail_default" style><ul style><li style><font size="4">we have a standard: so as a company I can request my third party providers to built upon exact this standard way for configuration. And with the SPIs I know well how I can interconnect this functionality with my deployment infrastructure/company configuration.</font></li><li style><font size="4">this was only a bare minimal proposal. Basically Configuration should also be capable of configuring CDI itself, e.g. activating alternatives, interceptors, decorators etc. This something where "ordinary extensions" may fail... </font></li><li style><font size="4">the ladder may lead to some kind of <font face="courier new, monospace">ConfigurationService </font>that might be used by the CDI container, but also might be accessible (e.g. via JNDI) without CDI. With that even legacy and other special use cases (which are still common) could be covered, including possible support for Java SE on a very basic level.</font></li></ul><div><font size="4">Cheers,</font></div><div><font size="4">Anatole</font></div><div><font size="4"><br></font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-05 22:20 GMT+02:00 Jens Schumann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jens.schumann@openknowledge.de" target="_blank">jens.schumann@openknowledge.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I can confirm that this approach works very well. We are using a similar approach a couple of years now, and I love the simplicity that comes with portable extensions and @Producer methods. See our public version here [1] (works since early CDI 1.0 days)
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<div>Instead of a @Inject + Qualifier we just use the qualifier @Property. We support default values and type conversation for primitives and everything that has a string based constructor. The property source can be anything, from property files (default)
to databases or xml files. For examples see tests here [2].</div>
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<div>Nevertheless I am not sure if this should be part of an future CDI spec. My concerns include the bloat argument, of course. But the main reason relates to the fact that we have almost everything in the current CDI spec already.</div>
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<div>Right now I am quite happy with an custom portable extension that does everything for me. At the time we implemented the extension we realised that the "hard part" was writing an extension that links a qualified "optional injection point" with an @Producer
method while supporting code based default values. Luckily I had Arne in my team who did that within a few minutes.</div>
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<div>Because of this experience I would propose that we simplify extension development such that "optional injection points" may be linked to @Produces values easily. Additionally we have to solve a few more integration issues (e.g. read-only DB access should
be available during CDI startup). Everything else should be provided by portable extensions (e.g. via delta-spike) and documentation/howtos at <a href="http://cdi-spec.org" target="_blank">cdi-spec.org</a>.</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/openknowledge/openknowledge-cdi-extensions/tree/master/openknowledge-cdi-common/src/main/java/de/openknowledge/cdi/common/property" target="_blank">https://github.com/openknowledge/openknowledge-cdi-extensions/tree/master/openknowledge-cdi-common/src/main/java/de/openknowledge/cdi/common/property</a></div>
<div>[2] <a href="https://github.com/openknowledge/openknowledge-cdi-extensions/blob/master/openknowledge-cdi-common/src/test/java/de/openknowledge/cdi/common/property" target="_blank">https://github.com/openknowledge/openknowledge-cdi-extensions/blob/master/openknowledge-cdi-common/src/test/java/de/openknowledge/cdi/common/property</a></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">An: </span>Antonio Goncalves <<a href="mailto:antonio.goncalves@gmail.com" target="_blank">antonio.goncalves@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I would not like to add an XML "bloated" mechanism as part of CDI 2.0. Spontaneously I would propose a more CDI like things like:</div>
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<li>Adding a <font face="courier new,monospace">@Configured</font> annotation (basically a qualifier). This can be in addition to<font face="courier new,monospace"> @Inject
</font>and would allow to inject "configured" values.<br>
</li><li>Since configuration can change we may think of a (CDI) event/reinject mechanism based on config changes. By default, this is switched off and we can discuss how it would be activated, e.g. by an additional flag settable with the
<font face="courier new,monospace">@Configured</font> annotation, or an additional
<font face="courier new,monospace">@Observable ConfigChangeEvent </font>(similar to the Griffon framework), or both.<br>
</li><li>Hereby configured values theoretically behave <i>similar </i>as all other injection points. They also can be qualified (the aspect of scopes, I did not yet have time to think about). The only difference is, that they are satisified using the configuration
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</li><li>The configuration "source" itself could in the extreme simplest way be a <font face="courier new,monospace">
Provider<Map<String,String>></font>. The CDI spec should not care about how this map is provided (XML, DB, overrides, etc). This still can be standardized later. As long as the
<font face="courier new,monospace">ConfigurationSource </font><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif">SPI </font>is defined, companies still can hook in the logic and level of configuration abstraction they need.<br>
</li><li>Of course, since not only <font face="courier new,monospace">Strings </font>can be injected, we need some
<i>conversion or adapter logic </i>as basically outlined in my blog. Also here we can add a simple SPI and let the details to the RI.<br>
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<li><font size="4"><font face="courier new,monospace">@Configured</font> annotation</font></li><li><font size="4">some kind of change event</font></li><li><font size="4">a <font face="courier new,monospace">ConfigurationSource
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<div><font size="4">we get a full fledged configuration mechanism that leverages CDI.</font></div>
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<div><font size="4">That would be my idea basically. WDYT? I will try to work that out in more details. Basically it should be implementable even with the CDI mechanism already in place with CDI 1.1.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr">One wise man* once said "EJB was a hype specification, we added too many things to it, it became bloated. The next hype specifications are JAX-RS and CDI, careful with them"
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<div>Either we get this idea of "parts" right, or CDI will endup being bloated.</div>
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<div>You may have followed the rise and fall of the Java Config JSR (<a href="http://javaeeconfig.blogspot.ch/2014/09/no-java-ee-configuration-for-ee8-dear.html" target="_blank">http://javaeeconfig.blogspot.ch/2014/09/no-java-ee-configuration-for-ee8-dear.html</a>).</div>
<div>Anatole in CC was leading this initiative and I proposed him to join us and explore if some part of his late-JSR could be done in CDI.</div>
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<div>I’m mainly thinking of <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-123" target="_blank">
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/CDI-123</a> or related solution. If we achieve to have a majority of specs to integrate with CDI, our configuration solution would therefore become a configuration system for all spec based on CDI 2.0.</div>
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