[forge-dev] Forge build back to Stable (Hack away!)

Richard Kennard richard at kennardconsulting.com
Tue Dec 13 17:04:18 EST 2011


Sorry if I've been unclear. I'm actually running Windows 7 (64-bit), not XP.

Richard.

On 14/12/2011 3:27 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote:
> Hello! :-)
>
> OK, maybe you are right about the incorrectness of my first assumption (that nobody is using XP). But I'm still pretty sure about the second one - 
> everybody actively using XP has installed the latest version of the VC++ runtime.
>
> *Koen, Richard*: are you active users of your XP systems where you caught initially the bug or you are just running Forge on them to check whether it is 
> running on Windows?
>
> If we finally decide that we want to go without documentation, then maybe we can think of some kind of [CDI] advice around the 
> org.jboss.forge.shell.console.jline.WindowsTerminal.getConsoleMode method. This can check whether the appropriate version of VC++ runtime is installed 
> and if not, produce a better message pointing to the MS patch site than an exception and hanging of Forge. The next question here is how to implement 
> this check. I'm afraid we have to either use external library packaged with its own dll, or write the dll by ourselves.
>
> And now the real question comes: should we bother at all right now? Or act in the agile way: wait for someone to complain and only then go on and 
> implement such logic?
>
> Cheers!
> Ivan
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com <mailto:max.andersen at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>     > A couple of comments though. Apparently the amount of Windows XP users is bigger than the combined amounts of Linux and OSX users, so I it would be
>     good problem should probably be fixed one way or another. These numbers are really trustworthy as they come from data that Max Andersen is collecting
>     on a day to day basis from launched JBoss Tools instances.
>
>     They don't really become "really trustworthy" until you go look and see of the normal browser access on jboss.org <http://jboss.org> and that is
>     similar: tons of Windows XP users. Or as I tend to refer to them "the silent majority" :)
>
>     Note since this is the issues I would reckon both Roo and Maven Shell would have similar issues since they use jline too.
>     Anyone up to verify that ? if they don't then might be some newer/older version of jline?
>
>     /max
>
>
>     >
>     > AFAIK none of the seasoned forge contributors is *using* XP. But as the numbers above indicate it is still good to once in a while test on XP and
>     make sure it continues to run on that platform. IIRC XP is end of life in 2014 so we will need to put up with it for some more time. ;-)
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     > Koen
>     >
>     > Op 13-dec.-2011, om 00:13 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>     >
>     >> I think that we may go with "asking people to install DLLs".
>     >>
>     >> 1) I don't know too many Windows XP users (I come from a country where 99% of the people are using Windows)
>     >> 2) Even if there are such users, they should have installed this package anyway, because a lot of other programs require it as well (think of it
>     as a JRE, but for MS library based applications)
>     >>
>     >> What is more interesting to me is how come two of the seasoned forge contributors are still using XP ;-)
>     >>
>     >> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com <mailto:lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >> INTERESTING!
>     >>
>     >> I wonder why this is happening. I now seem to remember an issue like this from a *long* time ago. Not sure what the best solution to the problem
>     is... asking people to install DLLs is not a very nice experience.
>     >>
>     >> Good thing: Using Forge in Eclipse does not suffer from this problem.
>     >>
>     >> ~Lincoln
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >> Hi folks!
>     >>
>     >> I installed Windows XP on a VirtualBox instance. Then installed Java and Maven and extracted the latest dev build of forge. I started it and got
>     the following exception (pasting the most relevant part):
>     >>
>     >> Exception in thread "Thread-2" javax.enterprise.event.ObserverException
>     >> at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native Method)
>     >>
>     >> at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstruct
>     >> orAccessorImpl.java:39)
>     >> at sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingC
>     >> onstructorAccessorImpl.java:27)
>     >> at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:513)
>     >> ....
>     >> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class org.fusesource.jansi.internal.Kernel32
>     >> at org.fusesource.jansi.internal.WindowsSupport.getConsoleMode(WindowsSu
>     >> pport.java:48)
>     >> at org.jboss.forge.shell.console.jline.WindowsTerminal.getConsoleMode(Wi
>     >> ndowsTerminal.java:257)
>     >> at org.jboss.forge.shell.console.jline.WindowsTerminal.init(WindowsTermi
>     >> nal.java:94)
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> So I searched Google for the NoClassDefFoundError and came upon this link:
>     >>
>     >> http://fusesource.com/forums/thread.jspa?messageID=10985
>     >>
>     >> This seemed to be the clue:
>     >>
>     >> The problem is missing dll from Visual C++ libraries on the windows XP. I follow the following instruction :
>     http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=5582 <http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=5582>
>     >>
>     >> And now, it's good
>     >>
>     >> I installed the VC++ libraries from the above link and forge eventually worked :-)
>     >>
>     >> Could you try it?
>     >>
>     >> Cheers,
>     >> Ivan
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >> Hi!
>     >>
>     >> Unfortunately, I am using Windows 7. At home I have one Windows Vista, but no XP. I can create a VirtualBox instance and install XP inside, but it
>     will take me some time.
>     >>
>     >> BTW, if it is really hanging, can you (Richard or Koen) press Ctrl+Break and see whether some thread is causing this?
>     >>
>     >> Cheers!
>     >> Ivan
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Richard Kennard <richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>> wrote:
>     >> Yeah it never starts up.
>     >>
>     >> To be absolutely clear:
>     >>
>     >> 1. It does not crash or die. There is no stack trace or return to the command prompt.
>     >> 2. It runs in the sense that you get a flashing cursor that just sits there. But it does not display the 'Forge' ASCII art or anything
>     >> 3. It is evidently waiting on input, because if you hit return the cursor moves down a line. But only once. Pressing return a second time does nothing
>     >>
>     >> On 7/12/2011 3:31 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>     >> > I think they mean that it never starts up, which is very strange to me.
>     >> >
>     >> > Happy holiday! I haven't actually heard of that one before (ignorant me.) But have fun :)
>     >> >
>     >> > I do want to work on the startup time, but this "never starting" behavior is very strange and I can't reproduce it on windows 7.
>     >> >
>     >> > Hopefully Koen will be able to. (Unless you have access to a windows 95 box?)
>     >> >
>     >> > ~Lincoln
>     >> >
>     >> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Ivan St. Ivanov <ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com> <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com
>     <mailto:ivan.st.ivanov at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Hi Lincoln, folks!
>     >> >
>     >> > Sure I will help. However, I wonder a couple of things:
>     >> >
>     >> > 1) What do you mean by hanging? Yes, Forge takes some 5-10 seconds to start, but it finally starts. So do you aim at ~2 seconds start or maybe at
>     >> > Koen's and Richard's computers it never starts at all
>     >> >
>     >> > 2) When I start the debug session, should I put somewhere breakpoints? If yes, where?
>     >> >
>     >> > Cheers,
>     >> > Ivan
>     >> >
>     >> > P.S. Sorry, but I'll do that tomorrow! Today is St. Nicolas's day here in Bulgaria (and I believe in the whole Christian world) and right now I am
>     >> > celebrating with a friend of mine his name's day ;-)
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com <mailto:lincolnbaxter at gmail.com> <mailto:lincolnbaxter at gmail.com
>     <mailto:lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > Awesome, thanks koen.
>     >> >
>     >> > Ivan,
>     >> >
>     >> > Could I ask you a favor? Could you follow the debugging instructions in FORGE-400 (comments) and try to find our where Forge is hanging at
>     >> > runtime? This would help me a *lot* since I cannot get access to an XP machine right now.
>     >> >
>     >> > ~Lincoln
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Koen Aers <koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> > I have created https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-400.
>     >> >
>     >> > Cheers,
>     >> > Koen
>     >> >
>     >> > Op 6-dec.-2011, om 09:20 heeft Richard Kennard het volgende geschreven:
>     >> >
>     >> > >> on Windows 7: run hangs right after startup
>     >> > >
>     >> > > Yes, I can confirm this.
>     >> > >
>     >> > > Richard.
>     >> > >
>     >> > > On 6/12/2011 6:16 PM, Koen Aers wrote:
>     >> > >> This is very strange. I didn't go into the details but while running the tests on XP I had to use the "line.separator" property because
>     >> > the output in the
>     >> > >> test contained "\r\n" and not "\n".
>     >> > >> I'm confused now…
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> Btw, I don't know what's happening but I can's seem to build trunk on any other platform than OSX.
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> - on XP: build as well as run hang
>     >> > >> - on Windows 7: build fails with compilation error, run hangs right after startup
>     >> > >> - on Fedora 16: build fails with (another) compilation error, run is ok
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> I tried the runs with a snapshot build that I did on OSX. I'll create a JIRA issue to track these problems.
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> Cheers,
>     >> > >> Koen
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> Op 5-dec.-2011, om 22:24 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >>> Hi folks,
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Richard, thanks a lot for the hint! After downloading the latest version my source compiles.
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> However, now I get an error in the test: JavaClassTest::testFormattingIsNotChanged. The problem is in the asserts that check whether the
>     >> > output contains
>     >> > >>> Telephone + line.separator + {. The next assert, which also has the line.separator inside, fails too. I am running on Windows. And there
>     >> > line.separator
>     >> > >>> is \r\n. However, in the output we get just \n. Which is fine on Mac or UNIX.
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> If I change the asserts like this (replace line.separator with \n):
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> assertTrue(output.contains(
>     >> > >>> "Telephone\n{"));
>     >> > >>> assertTrue(output.contains(
>     >> > >>> ")\n {"));
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> ...it works on Windows.
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Of course it's better to fix this in the code, but I saw that the toString method uses the stuff from Eclipse
>     >> > (org.eclipse.jface.text.Document,
>     >> > >>> org.eclipse.text.edits.TextEdit, org.eclipse.jdt.core.dom.CompilationUnit). So I'm not sure whether we can do anything there. Unless some
>     >> > of you has
>     >> > >>> commit permissions in Eclipse or my observations are wrong :-)
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> What do you think?
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Cheers!
>     >> > >>> Ivan
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> P.S. If I change the test like above (with \n instead of line.separator), the maven build is successful
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Richard Kennard <richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Ivan,
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Apologies. Forge is currently building against a Metawidget snapshot, and that snapshot is still changing. You will need to pull the
>     >> > latest Forge
>     >> > >>> build in
>     >> > >>> order to get the changes (HtmlTableLayout has become HtmlPanelGridLayout).
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Regards,
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> Richard.
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> On 5/12/2011 1:58 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote:
>     >> > >>>> Hi guys!
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> I did not pull or merge anything since my last successful build (or at least I think so). And now I have a compilation problem:
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> [ERROR] \projects\seamforge\core\scaffold-faces\src\main\java\org\jboss\forge\scaffold\faces\FacesScaffold.java:[87,60]
>     >> > >>>> cannot find symbol
>     >> > >>>> symbol : class HtmlTableLayout
>     >> > >>>> location: package org.metawidget.statically.faces.component.html.layout
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> [ERROR] \projects\seamforge\core\scaffold-faces\src\main\java\org\jboss\forge\scaffold\faces\FacesScaffold.java:[354,48]
>     >> > >>>> cannot find symbol
>     >> > >>>> symbol : class HtmlTableLayout
>     >> > >>>> location: class org.jboss.forge.scaffold.faces.FacesScaffold
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> The HtmlTableLayout class is in the org.metawidget.statically.faces.component.html.layout package coming from the
>     >> > >>> org.metawidget.modules/metawidget-all
>     >> > >>>> dependency (version 1.35-SNAPSHOT). There is really no such class in the metawidget library. I went on to check the jboss maven
>     >> > repository. The class
>     >> > >>>> HTMLTableLayout Indeed existed in older versions of the jar. However, it's not there in latest ones (those after 1st December).
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> Does anybody else have the same problem?
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> Thanks,
>     >> > >>>> Ivan
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Koen Aers <koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>
>     >> > <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> After fixing the failing test on XP, another problem shows up…
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> The test 'ValidationFacetTest' in 'forge-javaee-impl' hangs while initializing the fixture.
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> More in detail, the call 'beanManager.fireEvent(new Startup())' in the 'beforeTest()' method of the class
>     >> > 'SingletonAbstractShellTest.java' never
>     >> > >>>> returns.
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> I have no clue as to what might be the cause of this. Any suggestions welcome.
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> Cheers,
>     >> > >>>> Koen
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> Op 1-dec.-2011, om 09:15 heeft Ivan St. Ivanov het volgende geschreven:
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>> Hi,
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> I does hang for ~5 seconds. Not sure if that is problematic. But Beta 3 has the same behavior.
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> Once it is started I don't see any delays (created new project, setup persistence, added an entity and a field).
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> Cheers!
>     >> > >>>>> Ivan
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Richard Kennard <richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> But does it run okay? For me, it kept hanging at the command prompt after I typed 'bin/forge'.
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> Richard.
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> On 1/12/2011 10:08 AM, Ivan St. Ivanov wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>> Maven build is successful on Windows 7 :-)
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Keith Babo <kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com
>     <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>
>     >> > <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com
>     <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com
>     <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>
>     >> > <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com> <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com
>     <mailto:kbabo at redhat.com>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> You could always spin up a job on the JBoss Jenkins server to build this on Windows for you ….
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Hey Koen,
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Could I ask you to look in to this? I am not at a place where I have access to windows, and I don't see that error on OSX.
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Thanks!
>     >> > >>>>>>> ~Lincoln
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Koen Aers <koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>
>     >> > <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>>>
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>
>     >> > <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>>
>     >> > >>>>> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>
>     <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com> <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com <mailto:koen.aers at gmail.com>>>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> I was able to build, test and run without issues on OSX. On Windows (XP) the build stopped after the following failing test. I didn't
>     >> > >>>>>>> investigate any further.
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
>     >> > >>>>>>> Koen
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >> > >>>>>>> Test set: org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest
>     >> > >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >> > >>>>>>> Tests run: 25, Failures: 1, Errors: 0, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 0.078 sec <<< FAILURE!
>     >> > >>>>>>> testFormattingIsNotChanged(org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest) Time elapsed: 0.015 sec <<< FAILURE!
>     >> > >>>>>>> java.lang.AssertionError:
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.fail(Assert.java:91)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.assertTrue(Assert.java:43)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.Assert.assertTrue(Assert.java:54)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.jboss.forge.test.parser.java.JavaClassTest.testFormattingIsNotChanged(JavaClassTest.java:77)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod$1.runReflectiveCall(FrameworkMethod.java:44)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.model.ReflectiveCallable.run(ReflectiveCallable.java:15)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.model.FrameworkMethod.invokeExplosively(FrameworkMethod.java:41)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.statements.InvokeMethod.evaluate(InvokeMethod.java:20)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.internal.runners.statements.RunBefores.evaluate(RunBefores.java:28)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:76)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.runChild(BlockJUnit4ClassRunner.java:50)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$3.run(ParentRunner.java:193)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$1.schedule(ParentRunner.java:52)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.runChildren(ParentRunner.java:191)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.access$000(ParentRunner.java:42)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner$2.evaluate(ParentRunner.java:184)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.junit.runners.ParentRunner.run(ParentRunner.java:236)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.junit4.JUnit4TestSet.execute(JUnit4TestSet.java:59)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.suite.AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.executeTestSet(AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.java:115)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.suite.AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.execute(AbstractDirectoryTestSuite.java:102)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.Surefire.run(Surefire.java:180)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.booter.SurefireBooter.runSuitesInProcess(SurefireBooter.java:350)
>     >> > >>>>>>> at org.apache.maven.surefire.booter.SurefireBooter.main(SurefireBooter.java:1021)
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Richard Kennard <richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>
>     >> > <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com> <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com
>     <mailto:richard at kennardconsulting.com>>>>>> wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Lincoln,
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> The build seems to run, and there are no lingering test failures, but on Windows the distribution fails to start up? It just hangs at the
>     >> > >>>>>>> command prompt,
>     >> > >>>>>>> without printing 'Forge' in ASCII text or anything. It appears to be waiting for keyboard input, as if I press ENTER the cursor moves
>     >> > down
>     >> > >>>>>>> once, but then
>     >> > >>>>>>> it too stops.
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> I have grown so used to Forge telling me I'm an idiot for running Windows, but now it won't even do that :)
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Regards,
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> Richard.
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> On 30/11/2011 9:07 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>>> What was the problem in the end ?
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>> My guess was a memory leak in forge or the testsuite - did I win ?
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>> /max
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 22:16, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> Please feel free to run the full build on any operating system, without the aggravation of lingering test failures!
>     >> > >>>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> --
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.com <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> http://scrumshark.com <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> "Keep it Simple"
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>>> /max
>     >> > >>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> --
>     >> > >>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>     >> > >>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.com <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/> <http://ocpsoft.com/>
>     >> > >>>>>>> http://scrumshark.com <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/> <http://scrumshark.com/>
>     >> > >>>>>>> "Keep it Simple"
>     >> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>>
>     >> > >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>>
>     >> > >>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>>
>     >> > >>> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >>> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >>> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>>
>     >> > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >>
>     >> > >> _______________________________________________
>     >> > >> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > >> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     >> > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> > >
>     >> > > _______________________________________________
>     >> > > forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > > forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     >> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > --
>     >> > Lincoln Baxter, III
>     >> > http://ocpsoft.com
>     >> > http://scrumshark.com
>     >> > "Keep it Simple"
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org> <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>>
>     >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > --
>     >> > Lincoln Baxter, III
>     >> > http://ocpsoft.com
>     >> > http://scrumshark.com
>     >> > "Keep it Simple"
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > _______________________________________________
>     >> > forge-dev mailing list
>     >> > forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Lincoln Baxter, III
>     >> http://ocpsoft.com
>     >> http://scrumshark.com
>     >> "Keep it Simple"
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> forge-dev mailing list
>     >> forge-dev at lists.jboss.org <mailto:forge-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>     >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/forge-dev
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
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