[forge-dev] Forge'in ahead with JBoss Tools

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:

> "This is exactly where I hope  Forge will *not* go."
> 
> Forge core will certainly not go that directly, but I won't stop anyone from writing a Plugin suite that does.

Of course not - but a plugin couldn't do this on its own...it would require a runtime part :) but that wasn't what was suggested, neither in Burr's or my replies afacis.

point is that alot of the integration we got today would disappear or require a lot of redundant functionality to be implemented.
Hence why I hinted on it being interesting if a runtime framework could find a good balance here.

/max

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> ~Lincoln
>  
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > One thing I was planning on discussing with Lincoln and the Forge roadmap is around the idea of "Forge as a 4GL" - at the moment it feels mostly like a static code generator - which has the problem of schema changes.   But Forge as a 4GL could be more responsive, almost "runtime" code generation.  More like what you get in the Rails world.  :-)
> 
> This is exactly where I hope  Forge will *not* go.
> 
> Mixing up the toolside with the runtime side is what tech like Spring Roo does and its my opinion an utter mess and confusion and very hard tech lock-in.
> 
> But Forge could be great in using stuff like MetaWidget on runtime side, complete hibernate tools support for partial reverse engineering and have the code generation be able to handle incremental changes with something like jmerge would be able to provide alot of bang for the buck.
> 
> On runtime side it could be interesting if a runtime framework could find a good balance between runtime generation and still being static enough to be useful with CDI and similar frameworks which
> can be validated/inspected much easier than pure runtime stuff like Roo or Rails.
> 
> /max
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