Yeah we can try to do that :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Burr Sutter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bsutter@redhat.com" target="_blank">bsutter@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Actually that would be a 2.x release if commands (therefore scripts) are changing :-)<div>
<br></div><div>And that would mean JBDS 6 as the "support vehicle"</div><div><br></div><div>Is it possible to keep the older command syntax in place while pushing the new "API" instead? Allow for a "backward compatibility layer"?</div>
<div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Hey Burr,<br><br>Awesome feedback as always. Definitely please file JIRAs for these and put them under the "Usability" component; this would be a huge help. Thanks very much!<br>
<br>We had a good meeting at JBW and discussed many of these issues, so hopefully we will have some good changes coming for you soon. One thing we need to consider, though, is that changing commands and the names of commands may technically be a breakage of API compatibility with some scripts, so we might need to go up to a 1.1.x release to address this.<br>
<br>~Lincoln<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Burr Sutter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bsutter@redhat.com" target="_blank">bsutter@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Going through my hastily hand written notes from that day...<div><br></div><div>while "inside" the entity command, Ctrl-C does not work - user had to stop forge (red button) and start up again.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I can jira these things if needed.</div><div><br></div><div>this ctrl-c one is an issue with the eclipse integration - just like in the written tutorial, we promote only the eclipse-based version of forge so I have not tried the pure command line version.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div><div>On Jul 6, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Burr Sutter wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Last Friday, while in Boston, we ran a few dozen people through our "Getting Started Tutorial" - a hands-on lab<div>
<a href="http://www.jboss.org/jdf/examples/ticket-monster/tutorial/Introduction/" target="_blank">http://www.jboss.org/jdf/examples/ticket-monster/tutorial/Introduction/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I made several notes on "gotchas" that students struggled with and one of them was forge's "list-commands".</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the tutorial, we instruct the student to use the "entity" command and one student said "hey, this list-commands is broken, entity is not listed".</div><div><br></div><div>and my immediate response was "yes, list-commands rarely tells me what I want" and the students response was "then how do I know what Forge offers me" and my response was "you have to read a document, like this tutorial we provided". </div>
<div><br></div><div>The light-bulb turns on - we must have a usability problem :-)</div><div><br></div><div>At this time, People mostly wish to use Forge to:</div><div>- new project</div><div>- new entity (with bean validations)</div>
<div>- rest endpoints</div><div>- jsf scaffolding</div><div>- reverse engineer a database</div><div><br></div><div>So, we need a better list-commands and better docs that "list out the commands". Based on current "docs", Forge only does a few things - <a href="https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/FORGE/Samples" target="_blank">https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/FORGE/Samples</a> :-)</div>
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