[forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
Antonio Goncalves
antonio.mailing at gmail.com
Sat Jan 4 15:46:47 EST 2014
So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see cd, ls,
touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new commands,
I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....
2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
> But if I take your definition :
>
> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing
> interactive or re-consumable about it.
>
> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is
> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of
> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field. In
> this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.
>
> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we
> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean and do
> jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA and JSF.
>
> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB, by
> default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to
> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.
>
> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...) with no
> extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i jpa-addon, forge -i
> jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get extensions.... and if I'm lazy and
> just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll go forge -i javaee-addon.
>
> My 2 cents
>
> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>
>
> Hey Antonio!
>>
>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!
>>
>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code
>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,
>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>
>>
>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is nothing
>> interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>
>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF. I
>> believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and
>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->
>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407
>>
>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have multiple
>> scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type, but when I
>> run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:
>>
>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-
>>> scaffold-generate scaffold-setup
>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.
>>> 2.2 2.1 2.0
>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2
>>
>>
>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB
>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so
>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:
>>
>> *[*main*]*$ scaffold-setup --provider Faces
>>
>>
>> ~Lincoln
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first need
>>> to install scaffolding :
>>>
>>> forge -i scaffold
>>>
>>> And then, once in Forge I do :
>>>
>>> scaffold-setup
>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>
>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in the
>>> previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint, EJBs,
>>> AngularJS....
>>>
>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and code
>>> generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,
>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>>
>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does this
>>> mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,
>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why
>>> don't we have :
>>>
>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf
>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa
>>> forge -i scaffold-rest
>>> forge -i scaffold-soap
>>>
>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention
>>>
>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold
>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold
>>> forge -i rest-scaffold
>>> forge -i soap-scaffold
>>>
>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what will
>>> happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So command
>>> scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or scaffold-scaffold.
>>> Why not having :
>>>
>>> jsf-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>> jpa-scaffold --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client
>>> rest-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>> soap-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>
>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed that
>>>> for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.
>>>>
>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the REST
>>>> resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.
>>>>
>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose both
>>>> are addons. How do I install these addons ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.
>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit tight
>>>>> in schedule....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since Beta4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC, 2.0.0.Final
>>>>>> is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the Lille
>>>>>> JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be giving
>>>>>> a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (
>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)
>>>>>> but with few extra features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing bits
>>>>>> to make it run with Forge 2.x are :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)
>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)
>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday for a
>>>>>> Beta5 so I could use it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (just joking ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>
>
> --
> Antonio Goncalves
> Software architect and Java Champion
>
> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
> | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>
>
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Antonio Goncalves
Software architect and Java Champion
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