[forge-users] Scaffolding in Forge 2.x (was Beta5 next Monday ?)
Antonio Goncalves
antonio.mailing at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 04:00:52 EST 2014
So what commands would you enter to write a JSF/REST application based on
an existing database ? This is what I would write :
jpa-scaffold-from-db
jsf-scaffold-from-entity
rest-scaffold-from-entity
If the term "scaffolding" is only for the UI, then we will have the
following commands
jpa-generate-from-db
jsf-scaffold-from-entity
rest-generate-from-entity
Is it what we want ? To have seperate terms ? Scaffolding only for the UI
and an other term (e.g. generate) for the entities, rest, soap, ejbs ? It
seems a bit confusing to me, but if we clearly state that we scaffold UIs
(JSF, Angular...) and generate the rest (entities, ejbs, rest, soap, Spring
controllers...), then why not.
2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>
> Hmm, I'm not quite sure I'm following what you want/expect, but I can tell
> you what I think the difference is between, for example: "jpa-new-entity"
> and "jpa-scaffold-from-db" based on what I gather from what you've said.
>
> - jpa-new-entity
> - has no knowledge of an existing database
> - simply allows the users to create a JPA entity, step by step
> - jpa-scaffold-from-db
> - requires an existing database
> - generates a full jpa entity from existing information
> - name does not make clear what is being created/scaffolded
>
> The latter command seems a bit ambiguous, and I'm not sure what will
> happen if we start using "scaffold" as a general term that is separate from
> the UI layer. Scaffolding is frequently used to refer to a vertically
> aligned generated/framework driven approach that results in a CRUD UI. And
> this starts to blur that line.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In red below, the new commands between shell, core and scaffold.
>>
>> First, core has Java EE stuff... so why not go for javaee instead of core(you could have Spring, Play with Scala or whatever other addons). And
>> sorry to bring that again and again but I don't see the point of a sepeate
>> scaffold addon. For me, as a user, there is no difference between
>> scaffolding and generation. A jpa-new-entity is the same as a
>> jpa-scaffold-from-db, a rest-new-enpoint is the same as a
>> rest-scaffold-from-entity.
>>
>> Technically, generation and scaffolding are maybe different, but for a
>> user, I would love to install the javaee addon, and do a rest-new-enpoint
>> and rest-scaffold-from-entity. One day, I will install the spring addon
>> and do a mvc-new-controller and mvc-scaffold-from-entity.
>>
>> $ forge -i shell
>>
>> [Forge]$ TAB
>> alias export clear exit
>> less mkdir pwd services-list
>> transaction-start
>> unalias cd echo grep
>> ls more rm touch
>> man
>>
>>
>> $ forge -i core
>>
>> [Forge]$ TAB
>> alias addon-new-command cdi-setup
>> faces-new-converter jax-ws-setup
>> jstl-setup more services-list
>> unalias addon-remove clear
>> faces-new-validator jms-setup
>> jta-setup project-new servlet-setup
>> export bean-validation-setup echo
>> faces-new-validator-method jpa-new-entity less
>> pwd touch
>> addon-build-and-install build ejb-setup
>> faces-setup jpa-new-field ls
>> rest-setup transaction-start
>> addon-install cd exit
>> grep jpa-setup mkdir
>> rm man
>>
>>
>> $ forge -i scaffold
>>
>> [Forge]$ TAB
>> alias addon-new-command cdi-setup
>> faces-new-converter jax-ws-setup
>> jstl-setup more
>> scaffold-generate transaction-start
>> unalias addon-remove clear
>> faces-new-validator jms-setup jta-setup
>> project-new scaffold-setup
>> man
>> export bean-validation-setup echo
>> faces-new-validator-method jpa-new-entity less
>> pwd services-list
>> addon-build-and-install build ejb-setup
>> faces-setup jpa-new-field ls
>> rest-setup servlet-setup
>> addon-install cd exit
>> grep jpa-setup mkdir
>> rm touch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014/1/6 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>
>>
>> It all depends on which addons you install. If you install "core", you'll
>>> get our full addon suite. If you install "shell" you'll get just the shell
>>> as you desire, with no additional commands :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Antonio Goncalves <
>>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To a certain extreme, I would not even expect to have Java commands
>>>> (java-new-enum, java-new-class...) when I download Forge : this could also
>>>> be an addon. This way, if I want to install Scala addons instead, I would
>>>> just go forge -i addon-scala, and then scala-new-class ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/5 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hum.... but really, if JavaEE is an addon, why, when I launch Forge
>>>>> for the first time and hit TAB I have all the following commands :
>>>>>
>>>>> $ faces-setup | jpa-setup | bean-validation-setup | ejb-setup |
>>>>> jstl-setup | jax-ws-setup | jta-setup...
>>>>>
>>>>> These are Java EE commands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what I expect (first launch, hit TAB, no Java EE, then install
>>>>> JavaEE addon and here comes Java EE commands):
>>>>>
>>>>> [project] $ *[hit TAB]*
>>>>> alias addon-remove echo
>>>>> more unalias grep
>>>>> project-new services-list
>>>>> export build exit
>>>>> pwd addon-build-and-install cd
>>>>> less touch
>>>>> addon-install ls rm
>>>>> transaction-start
>>>>> addon-new-command clear mkdir
>>>>> scaffold-generate man
>>>>>
>>>>> [project] $ *addon-install --named javaee*
>>>>>
>>>>> [project] $ *[hit TAB]*
>>>>> alias addon-remove echo
>>>>> *faces-setup jpa-setup *
>>>>> more scaffold-setup
>>>>> unalias bean-validation-setup ejb-setup
>>>>> grep jstl-setup
>>>>> project-new services-list
>>>>> export build exit
>>>>> jax-ws-setup jta-setup pwd
>>>>> servlet-setup
>>>>> addon-build-and-install cd
>>>>> faces-new-converter jms-setup less
>>>>> rest-setup touch
>>>>> addon-install cdi-setup
>>>>> faces-new-validator jpa-new-entity ls
>>>>> rm transaction-start
>>>>> addon-new-command clear
>>>>> faces-new-validator-method jpa-new-field mkdir
>>>>> scaffold-generate man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The same thing could happen with a spring addon : you lauch Forge, no
>>>>> Spring nor Java EE commands, install the Spring addon, and bang, new Spring
>>>>> commands....
>>>>>
>>>>> What bothers me is that there is a distinction between jpa commands
>>>>> (jpa-new-entity, jpa-new-field...), setup commands (servlet-setup,
>>>>> jstl-setup..) and the rest of Java EE commands only once the addon is
>>>>> installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anotonio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting and certainly doable. I remember discussing this
>>>>>> separation in the early days, but we decided to keep it all the javaee
>>>>>> addons in a single addon for simplicity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 18:47, Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So as a user, I execute Forge, once in the shell I hit TAB and see
>>>>>> cd, ls, touch, man... I install the jpa-addon, I hit TAB, I see these new
>>>>>> commands, I install the jsf-addon, I hit TAB, and see these new commands....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014/1/4 Antonio Goncalves <antonio.mailing at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But if I take your definition :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is
>>>>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then, generating entities from an already existing database, is
>>>>>>> scaffolding. So I expect a forge -i jpa-addon. Then I get a set of
>>>>>>> entities, and with Forge I can cd the entity and do a jpa-new-field.
>>>>>>> In this example I scaffold and then add something to a generated entity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's important in your sentence is "Right now". What if one day we
>>>>>>> scaffold JSF pages and beans and we are able to cd a backing bean
>>>>>>> and do jsf-new-field... then, there is no difference between JPA
>>>>>>> and JSF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point is that as a user, I don't understand why when I hit TAB,
>>>>>>> by default, I can see jpa commands, but not JSF or REST commands. I need to
>>>>>>> install addons for some, and it's already installed for others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe Forge should just be an empty shell (cd, ls, touch, man...)
>>>>>>> with no extensions at all, and then I need to do a forge -i
>>>>>>> jpa-addon, forge -i jsf-addon, forge -i rest-addon to get
>>>>>>> extensions.... and if I'm lazy and just want to develop a Java EE app, I'll
>>>>>>> go forge -i javaee-addon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 Lincoln Baxter, III <lincolnbaxter at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Antonio!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, more excellent feedback! Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and
>>>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,
>>>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scaffolding basically is code generation. Right now there is
>>>>>>>> nothing interactive or re-consumable about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the fact that you weren't able to see anything about JSF.
>>>>>>>> I believe this is likely due to this issue that we identified in Beta4 and
>>>>>>>> have fixed and tested for .Final -->
>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1407
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example. This is still a bit strange because unless you have
>>>>>>>> multiple scaffolds installed, you don't see the choice of scaffold type,
>>>>>>>> but when I run scaffold setup in the latest SNAPSHOT, I see:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate scaffold-setup
>>>>>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.
>>>>>>>>> 2.2 2.1 2.0
>>>>>>>>> *[*jpa-demo*]*$ scaffold-setup --facesVersion 2.2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additionally, when I type `--provider` manually without using TAB
>>>>>>>> completion, then TAB complete the value, I do see the provider option, so
>>>>>>>> there may still be something wrong with the fix for FORGE-1407:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *[*main*]*$ scaffold-setup --provider Faces
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~Lincoln
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scaffolding is really confusing. To scaffold my JSF pages I first
>>>>>>>>> need to install scaffolding :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And then, once in Forge I do :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-setup
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And it generates JSF pages. Nowhere I see any mention of JSF in
>>>>>>>>> the previous commands. These commands could have generated REST endpoint,
>>>>>>>>> EJBs, AngularJS....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, I really don't see the difference between scaffolding and
>>>>>>>>> code generation (I've mention that before). So, for me, as a user,
>>>>>>>>> jpa-new-entity is a command that generates code, just like
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-generate. But if we clarify this, users might get use to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I type forge -i scaffold, it installs plenty of stuff. Does
>>>>>>>>> this mean it installs all the available scaffolding addons (JSF, REST,
>>>>>>>>> AngularJS, Arquillian...) ? If not, I don't know what it installed. Why
>>>>>>>>> don't we have :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jsf
>>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-jpa
>>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-rest
>>>>>>>>> forge -i scaffold-soap
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or even better if we follow the new naming convention
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> forge -i jsf-scaffold
>>>>>>>>> forge -i jpa-scaffold
>>>>>>>>> forge -i rest-scaffold
>>>>>>>>> forge -i soap-scaffold
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, when I type scaffold-generate I really don't know what
>>>>>>>>> will happen. Because scaffolding and generating are the same for me. So
>>>>>>>>> command scaffold-generate sounds like generate-generate or
>>>>>>>>> scaffold-scaffold. Why not having :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jsf-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>>>> jpa-scaffold --dbName myDB --jdbcDriver org.apache.derby.Client
>>>>>>>>> rest-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>>>> soap-scaffold --targets org.test.model.Customer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What do you think ?
>>>>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The JSF scaffold was not installed with core in Beta4. We fixed
>>>>>>>>>> that for 2.0.0.Final. Run forge -i scaffold to install it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Worth to mention that the available commands only generate the
>>>>>>>>>> REST resource for the entities, the JSF scaffold does not consume them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 13:53, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can't see any command for REST of JSF scaffolding, so I suppose
>>>>>>>>>> both are addons. How do I install these addons ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/4 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> REST generation from JPA entities is already functional too.
>>>>>>>>>>> Use rest-setup and rest-endpoint-from-entity
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 04/01/2014, às 11:52, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hum... I forgot, I also need REST scaffolding.... might be a bit
>>>>>>>>>>> tight in schedule....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2014/1/3 George Gastaldi <ggastald at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Both issues are now fixed. JSF scaffolding is ready since
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta4.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could release Beta5 monday but as we said in the IRC,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0.0.Final is due in Jan 15th, so that's up to Lincoln.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 03/01/2014, às 19:04, Antonio Goncalves <
>>>>>>>>>>>> antonio.mailing at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi JBoss Forge Team,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I should have mentioned that before, but next Tuesday (at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lille JUG in France) and Thursday (London, GlassFish User Group), I'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>> giving a talk on JBoss Forge. It's the same one I gave at JavaOne (
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/12/come-and-play-with-javaee7-javaone-2013-session/)
>>>>>>>>>>>> but with few extra features.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing it with Forge 1.x.... but actually, the only missing
>>>>>>>>>>>> bits to make it run with Forge 2.x are :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * Bean Validation (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1393)
>>>>>>>>>>>> * Java enums (https://issues.jboss.org/browse/FORGE-1400)
>>>>>>>>>>>> * JSF scaffolding
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I was just wondering if this would be available on Monday
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a Beta5 so I could use it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (just joking ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>>>>> Lincoln Baxter, III
>>>>>>>> http://ocpsoft.org
>>>>>>>> "Simpler is better."
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>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
>>>>>>> | Devoxx France <http://www.devoxx.fr/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web site <http://www.antoniogoncalves.org/> | Twitter<http://twitter.com/agoncal>
>>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>>
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>>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Antonio Goncalves
>>>> Software architect and Java Champion
>>>>
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>>>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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>> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/agoncal> | Paris JUG<http://www.parisjug.org/>
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