Thanks for the time taken to read it Thomas.<br><br>I actually didn't opened JIRAs because my features requests were being refused because they weren't user friendly. That document actually was to discuss this philosophy..<br>
<br>I do think keeping it user friendly is the way to go, but what good does it do if we can't address user's needs? I've been doing some PoCs and presentations with GateIn/eXo and our main competitors here (Liferay, Lumis and sometimes IBM) have features I always get asked about, and I have to say "we don't have it, but it can be done".. and it's not only Content Management features.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Heute <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:theute@redhat.com" target="_blank">theute@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Thank you Rafael !<br>
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First we should keep portal and WCM discussions seperated, GateIn is
about the portal so I leave the WCM part apart.<br>
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<h2>Overall</h2>
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<p>Change messages from the default popup (error/warning/info).
It seems messy since there's already JavaScript's alerts and is not
ergonomic. JSF-like messages are much better (they appear in a box
above the form). The user only wants to correct his fields, the don't
want to click any annoying popup.</p>
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<p>eXo: request forwarded to Portal Team</p>
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Agreed, do you know if a Jira was opened ? I don't think there is one
on GTNPORTAL, we should keep this requirement for furture evolution of
WebUI so feel free to add a Jira.<br>
<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Just opened it: <a href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/GTNPORTAL-475" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/GTNPORTAL-475</a></span> <br style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">
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<p>There's already a Groovy cache, to save compilation AFAIK.
There could be also a HTML cache, that would cache the whole page, not
a per portlet thing.</p>
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There are already multiple layers of cache, what would be interesting
would be to return the correct Last-Modified on HTTP Response but it's
tricky to get. How do you see your HTML cache working with invalidation
?<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Sorry, I was thinking about eXo WCM when I wrote it</span>.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<h2>Language</h2>
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<p>The Language Settings should use the locales-config.xml
definitions (output-encoding and input-encoding) to encode request
parameters. There are a lot of encoding problems through eXo (try to
login with a fake username with accents, for instance)</p>
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<p>eXo: request forwarded to Portal Team</p>
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If there are encoding issues, please report them.<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Encoding problems I faced in previous version seem to be fixed.</span><br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<h2>Portlets and HTML rendering</h2>
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<p><a name="1261f6395600fcb4_1261dbdf564ec1e8_line2026"></a>Don't render the div tags like
VIEW-PAGEBODY, META-DATA-BLOCK, PORTLET-FRAGMENT, etc (or render the
minimum required) with “display: none”. That pollutes the code, makes
the downloading slower, loads the browser and confuses us with eXo's
CSS. Rather these tags should not be shown by default but only in Edit
Site, Edit Mode, etc. If that was done this way because of AJAX, it's
much preferable for the web-designer to have a refresh than a end-user
to have a bloated HTML.</p>
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<p>eXo: Such a thing will be discussed internally in the new
GateIn project as I would like in WCM a “production” site without this
code.</p>
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Not sure if they are required, looks like semantic info<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Precisely: they has nothing to do with user's portal. That's why I think it "pollutes the code, makes
the downloading slower, loads the browser and confuses us with eXo's
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<p>A decorator container. Something like a wrapper that would
have a before and an after field that would surround it's contents.</p>
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<p>eXo: don’t understand that point.</p>
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<p>Rliu: Just like there are column, rows, tab and mixed
container, it would be useful to have a “decorator container”. A
container that would decorate it's content. Imagine (I had to do that)
that I wan a PageBody with rounded corners. There are a lot of methods
to do rounded corners in HTML/CSS, but only a few are applicable
because there's no way to surround PageBody's content (a simple case:
imagine I want a <div> tag before and a </div> after page
content. Or a <center> or <table>, etc)</p>
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A wrapper around a page ? around a content of a layout ? Not sure I
understand neither :-/<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">It would be just a new kind of container (besides columns, rows, mixed and tabbed). It could contain a portlet, the Page Content or even another container.</span><br>
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<p>Editing class/style tag of portlet's div is really useful
(used a lot of times in this project I'm in). There should be a field
for each of these (and maybe width/height would be unnecessary) in
Portlet Settings tab.</p>
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<p>eXo: that’s also part of WCM requirements for
accessibility : I’d like to add a class property for each portlet
instance and we have to remove the portlet id property for w3c
compliance. We’re on the same wave <font face="Wingdings"></font></p>
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This is the dreaded issue of the admin portal, the problem is to draw
the line between administrators and developers. Some people will want
limited but easy to understand UI and others will want advanced UI,
that leads to your introduction and you are 100% right.<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Actually I was discussing this with people from eXo portal. And I do think GateIn should keep user friendly, but there are way to conceal it with advanced features like the ones I wrote in the beginning: eclipse-like perspectives (like basic and advanced), role based perspectives (like a developer role) or simply an “advanced” button. "Keeping it simple" shouldn't be the reason for not implementing a feature..</span><br>
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<p>Portlet's id should be editable. Then I could use it as CSS
selector and have meaningful id's in my HTML.</p>
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<p>eXo: agreed, see previous answer.</p>
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True.<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Opened a jira: <a href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/GTNPORTAL-476" target="_blank">https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/GTNPORTAL-476</a></span> <br>
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<p>Navigation, Breadcrumb and Site Map should be done with
server-side scripting.</p>
</li>
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<li>
<p>This is much less error-prone (another JavaScript error
wouldn't break my script)</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>We could use caching</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>We could use IDE goodies</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>And I think it's prettier, much more maintainable and the
concept of versioning gets more reasonable.</p>
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This is already the case in portal AFAIK.<br></div></blockquote><div><br><span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Yeah, just checked it. That wasn't the case in previous eXo portal versions =)</span> <span style="color: rgb(255, 102, 0);">Nice</span><br>
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Thomas.<div><br>
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On 01/04/2010 02:22 PM, rafael liu wrote:
</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div>Hey, guys<br>
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I'm an outsider, since I use GateIn/eXo a lot, I subscribed to this
list. Some time ago I wrote to both Benjamin about some suggestions
regarding the products I was using.<br>
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I'm forwarding the document we exchanged with comments by exo and me. I
believe the suggestions concerning the Portal is pretty much valid
still.<br>
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Could you give me a feedback for further discussions?<br>
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BTW, nice work. GateIn is looking amazing.<br clear="all">
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