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<font face="Calibri">The two most consumable pieces of hawkular are
Standalone Alerts and Standalone Metrics. And these should be
featured most prominently on the web site (imo). Because the
"Hawkular" prefix is so cumbersome to say, I think we should
typically call these things "hAlerts" and "hMetrics". I like the
idea of also having the home page lead to other things Hawkular,
such as Tracing, MIQ Provider (much better than calling it
Hawkular Services), HawkFX, The ruby gems, etc... The fact that
Metrics bundles Alerts enhances the Metrics offering but remember
that this is primarily a metrics solution. HAlerts should be
featured independently as a standalone, pluggable solution for
federated alerting.</font><br>
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As mentioned prior:<br>
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<li>hServices really has only one consumer, MIQ, and should likely
just be presented in that way.</li>
<li>hAlerts does *not* bundle metrics.</li>
<li>we should probably take a look at the docker hub and make sure
it is coherent<br>
</li>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2017 1:47 AM, Thomas Heute
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Alerts don't include Metrics, but the opposite is
true for a few releases now (it has not always been the case).
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<div>Yes, Hawkular Services is/was the go-to place since it had
everything included (Alerting, Metrics, Inventory(RIP), EAP
Agent, Command Gateway, "glue code")...</div>
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<div>The EAP Agent and Command Gateway are pretty much related
to ManageIQ so we could make the switch and claim it is for
ManageIQ (and work in that direction) but then we first need
an easy way to consume Metrics+Alerting, currently there is no
binary for that (No Zip, No Docker) which has been missing for
a whiile, there is also no quickstart except for Alerting.</div>
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<div>Thomas</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:55 PM,
Josejulio Martinez Magana <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jmartine@redhat.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jmartine@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_extra">i might be wrong, but services =
metrics (with alerts) + agent + glue code between agent
and alerts(notifications) + status page</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at
12:43 PM, Edgar Hernandez Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ehernand@redhat.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ehernand@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div>Yes, its a little confusing.</div>
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<div>May be I'm wrong in that alerts include
metrics (I wrote that only trusting my
memory). If I'm wrong, it's ok to keep them
as separate releases. But the confusion
remains between metrics and services,
because it's not very clear how you choose
between metrics and services.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4,
2017 at 12:24 PM, Josejulio Martinez
Magana <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jmartine@redhat.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jmartine@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div>I didn't know alerts included
metrics (I knew that metrics
included alerts)</div>
If they include each other, why
not call them as a whole instead
as the parts?
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<div>Is confusing for me that they
are two distributions and that
each that are mutually included
in each other. What's the
difference?</div>
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class="m_-6495079909516999116m_7829651153661384658h5">On
Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:04
PM, Edgar Hernandez Garcia <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ehernand@redhat.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ehernand@redhat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"><span>On
Tue, Jul 4, 2017
at 11:55 AM, Edgar
Hernández <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:ehernand@redhat.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ehernand@redhat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="m_-6495079909516999116m_7829651153661384658m_-3328935601235360523m_8533691624746647698m_1549882951652926925moz-cite-prefix"> And,
now, starting
with "<a
href="https://github.com/hawkular/hawkular-metrics/releases/tag/0.27.0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">metrics 0.27.0</a>" I can see
that metrics
also includes
alerts. </div>
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<div>I just realized
that alerts is
included with
metrics even with
previous releases.
So, both parts
have been shipping
the other part for
a while. Now, it's
got weirder for
me. </div>
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