<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Stefan Negrea <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snegrea@redhat.com" target="_blank">snegrea@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_4964646731585675510gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Thank you,<br>Stefan Negrea<br><br></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Edgar Hernández <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ehernand@redhat.com" target="_blank">ehernand@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">Agreed, Hawkular Services need more love, not to
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<div>It may be renamed to "Hawkular ManageIQ Provider" on the
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<div>Also there is no quickstart anymore, it's very rough for
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What!? This really comes as a surprise for me. All this time my
thinking was that "services" was the thing bundling all parts
together and, because of the quickstarts, I believed that "services"
was the preferred way to get Hawkular. This idea is further
supported by exploring the DockerHub, where only images of
Hawkular-services are available.<br>
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Also, right after "Inventory" got removed, "services" and "alerts"
were somewhat redundant for me because "metrics" is included with
"alerts" (and "services" also includes both). And, now, starting
with "<a href="https://github.com/hawkular/hawkular-metrics/releases/tag/0.27.0" target="_blank">metrics
0.27.0</a>" I can see that metrics also includes alerts. So, the
thing looks more redundant now. But with time I learned that
"services" provides the operations api, used by ManageIQ. I don't
know if there are other features provided by "services". But those
extra features are not documented in the website and people new to
Hawkular won't realize what's the idea behind "services". <br><span class="m_4964646731585675510HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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- Edgar.<br></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hawkular Metrics started bundling Alerting in October of last year and there are no plans to not bundle it. <br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I don't want to side track the discussion too much, but if we are going to target kubernetes/openshift as the base platform, then maybe it does make sense to consider changing the deployment. We should probably have separate containers for metrics and for alerts.</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>We need to make a differentiation between the components (Alerting, Metrics, Trancing) and their integration into other projects. Hawkular Services is a specific integration for ManageIQ. We need to adjust the content around the core components to be able to build a community around the core components. The integrations are just delivery methods for these components. The integration of Hawkular Metrics and Alerting (there is a special bundle for that just like Hawkular Services) in OpenShift Origin has been used a lot more people than Hawkular Services ever was. Yet it is nowhere featured or discussed. We need to refocus the front page on the core components. Hawkular Services or Hawkular Metrics & Alerting OpenShift Origin (or other future integrations) should be mentioned but in another section.<br></div><span class=""><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><span class="m_4964646731585675510HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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