[hibernate-dev] Stride

[Sanne Grinovero]

On 17 May 2018 at 20:32, Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet at gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, you say it’s clear we don’t want to stay on HipChat.
>
> When did we decide that? I don’t remember a discussion about it.

I didn't say it was decided, but I think we're working on that since
Steve asked about it today. To which I agree *because* it seems clear
to me that we don't want to stay on it - a notion I inferred from
multiple previous discussions.

Steve pointed out multiple flaws e.g. the native client packaging
broken on Fedora, to which Atlassian pretty much replied by letting us
know they won't invest in HipChat as the future is Stride. We can
choose when to switch but staying doesn't look sensible to me as it
certainly won't improve; it's also likely that they'll want everyone
migrated eventually so to shut the existing service down.

I for one gave up as well installing the native client and have been
using the web client since setting up my new workstation, as I was
expecting Stride to arrive soon.

The other day some people tried to join and gave up because of login
complexity - that's IMO a very bad sign: not welcoming community
people means it's failing its primary requirements.

And let's not forget all authentication nonsense; especially days that
I'm working more on the WildFly side of things and need to login to
multiple instances I really look forward to a better system (hopefully
it is!?).

Question, since you want a decision: are you only suggesting to delay
or suggesting that you should rather stay on HipChat?

Personally, I'm fine delaying a bit even though I can live happily
without Jenkins notifications, but let's hear the others as well.

Thanks,
Sanne


>
> For sure, we probably won’t have a choice because there’s a good chance Atlassian will close the service but what are the problems that make a migration so urgent?
>
>> Le 17 mai 2018 à 20:16, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org> a écrit :
>>
>> lol, I was writing about the same to the team list.
>>
>> +1 to have people register, it's better for them anyway. I checked
>> it's easier to self-register.
>>
>> +1 to migrate quickly. It's clear we don't want to stay on HipChat, if
>> this doesn't work out we'll see.
>>
>> Refer to my parallel email for Fedora instructions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sanne
>>
>>
>>> On 17 May 2018 at 19:03, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
>>> I got an email from Atlassian this morning about the migration from HipChat
>>> to Stride.  Basically they have not gotten Stride feature-complete in terms
>>> of HipChat which is the trigger for the mass migration.  However, they are
>>> reaching out to all waiting teams to see if any want to migrate anyway.
>>> The list of missing features they sent me are:
>>>
>>>
>>>   1. Guest access
>>>   2. Some admin controls and compliance settings
>>>   3. Integrations with Atlassian server products (the Jira Server app is
>>>   currently in beta and coming soon) and some other popular integrations. See
>>>   all available Stride integrations
>>>   <http://click.mailer.atlassian.com/?qs=6712850cb7a4f2d4a207f46e5f190a454855738b8db6340974f28f3c2e1e6aa7c674a6314ad5df11014e5e2ee39bd3d4326606d2826b241a>
>>>   .
>>>   4. User management via API
>>>   5. Dark mode
>>>
>>> I am not really sure exactly what is missing WRT (2).  (3) is nice-to-have,
>>> but not blocker IMO assuming it gets added at some point.
>>>
>>> I think (1) is the only one that is concerning.  Though TBH for myself
>>> personally, I do not think registering is a big deal.
>>>
>>> Unless I hear otherwise, I plan on asking them to proceed with our
>>> migration to Stride.
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