<div dir="ltr"><div>ok, so do you have any areas i should avoid, or alternately, easy areas as a beginner i should filter jira to look for bugs? </div>
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<div>i did speak up regarding unit tests :) no one spoke back, but that&#39;s ok , i understand folks won&#39;t always be here to answer every question, didn&#39;t stop me from asking though.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com">max.andersen@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im"><br><br>Elhanan Maayan wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>&quot;looking at the code which has a problem and fix it&quot; sounds so simple :), it did sound simple, until i got to working on a bug with sql generation and had huge amount of time figuring out what went wrong, even now, after i found the bug, i don&#39;t know if fixing it requires major refactoring or is it something simpler then i&#39;m missing.<br>
<br></blockquote></div>Your problem is probably not the first thing I would try and grasp in Hibernate - it&#39;s probably the most complex part of hibernate; but don&#39;t let that scare you. 
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>yes, i know about the unitests, they scared me at first, when i first run them after the initial download and saw failures, but i guess i didn&#39;t read the results correctly because the hibernate-core project test went ok.<br>
<br></blockquote></div>Speak up if you got questions about them :)<br><br>/max<br>
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<div class="h5"><br><br>On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen &lt;<a href="mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com" target="_blank">max.andersen@redhat.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com" target="_blank">max.andersen@redhat.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br><br>       i never thought hibernate was simple, my problem is that i<br>       don&#39;t see how anyone outside jboss personal can actually<br>       create fixes (patches or commits) without internal overview of<br>
       hibernate. and jumping head first is actually what a new<br>       developer in jboss would need to do, even if he did had prior<br>       usage of hibernate. so either there  are white papers kept in<br>       jboss for their use only , or the information is pass down<br>
       orally by a senior developer.<br><br>   There are no internal secret jboss documents - all the information<br>   is public. Many people are creating patches to hibernate in<br>   various areas by simply reading the code that is having a problem<br>
   and fix it - of course for more detailed hardcore bugs more info<br>   is needed, but no written documentation would help you there - you<br>   would still need to look at the code to learn it.<br><br>   btw. I did not work for JBoss when I started contribute to<br>
   Hibernate, and there are non-JBoss committers today too - the<br>   right to commit is earned by showing skill and drive; not by<br>   getting hired.<br><br><br>       to give an example, we have a developer with a 7 year<br>
       experience in java j2ee, working on an undocumented homegrown<br>       framework with no internal overview documentation, and only<br>       oral info passed from previous developer, and that&#39;s not<br>       nearly enough as fixes usually break something else.<br>
<br>   Look at the unittests, if you break them you know you messed up -<br>   if they pass the chance of you having messed up is less ;)<br><br>   /max<br><br>       On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Chris Bredesen<br>       &lt;<a href="mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com" target="_blank">cbredesen@redhat.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com" target="_blank">cbredesen@redhat.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<div class="im"><br>       wrote:<br><br>          Some observations on this thread:<br><br>          1. You do not need m2eclipse.  /trunk and /Branch_3_3 both use<br>          Maven 2 and will build straight away with &quot;mvn compile&quot;.<br>
<br>          2. You can generate Eclipse or IDEA project files from the<br>       command<br>          line in the standard Maven way (mvn eclipse:eclipse or mvn<br>          idea:idea) and then import the projects.  I understand that<br>
       IDEA<br>          reads Maven metadata natively but I cannot speak to that.<br><br>          3. Only committers are allowed to ... commit.  This is what the<br></div>       <a href="http://svn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">svn.jboss.org</a> &lt;<a href="http://svn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">http://svn.jboss.org/</a>&gt; &lt;<a href="http://svn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">http://svn.jboss.org/</a>&gt; 
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<div class="h5"><br>       server is for.<br>       <a href="http://anonsvn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">anonsvn.jboss.org</a> &lt;<a href="http://anonsvn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">http://anonsvn.jboss.org/</a>&gt;<br>       &lt;<a href="http://anonsvn.jboss.org/" target="_blank">http://anonsvn.jboss.org/</a>&gt; is a replica with<br>
<br>          read-only privileges.  Use this for now.  You are free to open<br>          JIRA tickets and attach patch files which will be reviewed by<br>          Hibernate committers and possibly committed in a future<br>
       release.<br><br>          4. Yes, Hibernate is complicated.  It is not a trivial<br>       project to<br>          jump into head-first.  So please understand that there are many<br>          ways to contribute:<br>
<br>           * Helping on the forums<br>           * Hanging around in IRC to participate/answer questions<br>           * Improving the wiki<br>           * Filing JIRA issues for bugs or attaching test cases that are<br>
          required<br><br>          Happy Hibernating,<br><br>          Chris<br><br>          joy deep wrote:<br><br>              Thanks soo much , I was by the side of the ocean no<br>       idea about<br>              depth .<br>
              Are only JBoss people allowed to make changes !!!<br><br><br>              Thanks and Regards<br>              Joydeep Bhattacharjee<br><br><br>              --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Elhanan Maayan<br>       /&lt;<a href="mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com" target="_blank">elh.mailgate@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com" target="_blank">elh.mailgate@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<br><br>                 From: Elhanan Maayan &lt;<a href="mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com" target="_blank">elh.mailgate@gmail.com</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com" target="_blank">elh.mailgate@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<div class="im"><br><br>                 Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate<br>       development<br>                 community<br>                 To: &quot;joy deep&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a><br>
       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;<br></div>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
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<div class="h5"><br><br>                 Cc: &quot;Peter Harrison&quot;<br>       &lt;<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;<br>
       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;,<br>
<br>       <a href="mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>&gt;<br>
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<br>                 Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:38 PM<br><br>                 i&#39;ve started a small blog<br>       <a href="http://osventure.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://osventure.wordpress.com/</a><br>
              about my<br>                 experiences with open source, documenting my attempts.<br>                     please note that you will need m2eclipse plugin to<br>              download the<br>                 code, as the svn repo is not in eclipse project.<br>
                 you will then need to change your .settings.xml file for<br>              maven in<br>                 ~/m2 direcotry  for jboss plugins<br>                     also after you downloaded the code you will<br>
       encounter<br>              huge amount of<br>                 compiler errors  you will need to the following:<br>                     1. run mvn install on the pom parent - to<br>       generate some<br>              antlr files<br>
                 that were not generated during the initial load<br>                 2. change hibernate-core project compiler settings to :<br>                    generated .class file compatibility to 1.4,              source<br>
              compatibility : 1.4<br>                 3. on hibernate-common-annotations project change<br>       the compiler<br>                 error/warnings , turn the forbidden reference<br>       (access rules) to<br>
                 warning instead of error.<br>                     good luck getting your feet, personally i feel<br>       somewhat<br>              drowning<br>                 when i&#39;m trying to figure out this bug :<br>
       <a href="http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856" target="_blank">http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856</a><br>                     personally i have no idea how anyone outside<br>
       jboss can<br>              even begin to<br>                 start modify the code without some white papers or<br>              explanation on<br>                 the internal structure of hibernate.<br>                 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM, joy deep<br>
       &lt;<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;<br></div></div>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt; 
<div class="im"><br><br>       &lt;/mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;<br>
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<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>                     Hi,<br>                         Is there any SVN repository from where I can<br>              download the<br>                     source codes, and set up my project in eclipse<br>       .Can you<br>
              also<br>                     give the Bugzilla link for hibernate.I want to<br>       get my<br>              feet wet<br>                     with the code soon . Thanks for replying.<br><br><br>                     Thanks and Regards<br>
                     Joydeep Bhattacharjee<br><br><br>                     --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Peter Harrison<br>                     /&lt;<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>
       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;<br></div>
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<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;&gt;<br><br>       &lt;/mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>
       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;<br></div>
<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br></div>
<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;/* wrote:<br><br><br>                         From: Peter Harrison<br>
       &lt;<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;<br>
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<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;&gt;<br><br>       &lt;/mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br>
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<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a><br></div>
<div class="im">       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz" target="_blank">peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br><br>                         Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join<br>
       hibernate<br>                         development community<br>                         To: <a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;<br>
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<div class="im"><br>       &lt;/mc/compose?to=<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a><br></div>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> 
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<div class="h5"><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br><br>                         Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:02 AM<br><br>                         The ideal way to get involved is to download the<br>
              source and<br>                         get familiar with it first - if you have not<br>              already. I am<br>                         here because I made some modifications to<br>       hibernate<br>
              for my<br>                         own project and want to contribute back. The<br>       best<br>              way to<br>                         start is to look at existing bug reports,<br>       write a<br>
              patch or<br>                         two and attach them to the ticket. Of<br>       course, I&#39;m in a<br>                         similar boat as you, in that I&#39;m not an active<br>              committer<br>
                         right now. I&#39;m personally looking at issues<br>       which<br>              affect me<br>                         - aka I don&#39;t want to be committing code for<br>       things<br>              that I<br>
                         am not having practical use for.<br><br>                         2009/4/12 &lt;<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a><br>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;<br>
</div></div>       &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt; 
<div class="im"><br><br>       &lt;<a href="http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in" target="_blank">http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in</a>&gt;&gt;<br><br><br>                             Hi All,<br><br>                                   I am new to hibernate development<br>
              community though<br>                             I have been using the the product for<br>       some time<br>              now , I<br>                             would like to be a part of this wonderful<br>
              product how<br>                             can I get on with it .<br>                             Any help in this regard will be highly<br>       appreciated.<br><br><br><br><br>                                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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