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<td class="text-paragraph-pattern-container mobile-resize-text " style="padding: 0; border-collapse: collapse; padding: 0 0 10px"> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0; margin-top: 0">As far as what can be trimmed off the RegionFactory and Region contracts...</p>
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<li><a href="https://hibernate.atlassian.net/secure/ViewProfile.jspa?name=rvansa" class="user-hover" rel="rvansa" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">Radim Vansa</a> You had specifically mentioned <tt>RegionFactory#nextTimestamp</tt> and <tt>Region#nextTimestamp</tt> should go away. Could you explain why again? IIUC it had something to do with Session exposing <tt>#getTimestamp</tt>? <tt>#getTimestamp</tt> on Session has a very specific meaning, but one that I think matches for caching's needs as well. In fact Session gets its timestamp from RegionFactory, so little chicken and egg there <img class="emoticon" src="cid:jira-generated-image-static-wink-4fe3f6c9-d1c2-4c3b-8e6f-4936c3fc909d" height="16" width="16" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"> So we can certainly remove passing it around in the cache SPI calls as method args. Perhaps that is all you meant? IMO we can also get rid of <tt>Region#nextTimestamp</tt>; <tt>RegionFactory#nextTimestamp</tt> is enough for Session's need.</li>
<li>Is "timeout" really different for each Region? Or is that more RegionFactory-level info?</li>
<li>Regarding Statistics, we do currently leverage <tt>#getSizeInMemory</tt>, <tt>#getElementCountInMemory</tt>, <tt>getElementCountOnDisk</tt> and <tt>#toMap</tt>. Moving forward however, I propose that we consider removing these methods. Yes they are useful from a statistics/metrics point of view, but (correct me if I am wrong) not necessarily meaningful for the underlying provider to answer.</li>
</ol> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">On a related note... I'd like to reconsider the "start up" sequence for RegionFactory impls. Currently one of the supported ctor signatures are used and then we call <tt>#start</tt> taking even more start up config. I'd like to instead have RegionFactory implement <tt>org.hibernate.service.spi.Startable</tt> (and Stoppable) to leverage automatically starting and stopping it as part of the normal Service lifecycle handling. Between ctor and <tt>#start</tt>, the RegionFactory is given access to:</p>
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<li>config settings Map/Properties</li>
<li>SessionFactoryOptions</li>
</ol> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0">I specifically wanted to ask about the second one. Do any of you actually use it?</p> </td>
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