[infinispan-dev] DIST-SYNC, put(), a problem and a solution

Dan Berindei dan.berindei at gmail.com
Wed Jul 30 05:13:38 EDT 2014


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Pedro Ruivo <pedro at infinispan.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 07/30/2014 09:02 AM, Dan Berindei wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > if your proposal is only meant to apply to non-tx caches, you are right
> > you don't have to worry about multiple primary owners... most of the
> > time. But when the primary owner changes, then you do have 2 primary
> > owners (if the new primary owner installs the new topology first), and
> > you do need to coordinate between the 2.
> >
>
> I think it is the same for transactional cache. I.e. the commands wait
> for the transaction data from the new topology to be installed. In the
> non-tx caches, the old primary owner will send the next "sequence
> number" to the new primary owner and only after that, the new primary
> owner starts to give the orders.
>

I'm not sure that's related, commands that wait for a newer topology do not
block a thread since the ISPN-3527 fix.


>
> Otherwise, I can implement a total order version for non-tx caches and
> all the write serialization would be done in JGroups and Infinispan only
> has to apply the updates as soon as they are delivered.
>

Right, that sounds quite interesting. But you'd also need a less-blocking
state transfer ;)


> > Slightly related: we also considered generating a version number on the
> > client for consistency when the HotRod client retries after a primary
> > owner failure [1]. But the clients can't create a monotonic sequence
> > number, so we couldn't use that version number for this.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ISPN-2956
> >
> >
> >     Also I don't see it as an alternative to TOA, I rather expect it to
> >     work nicely together: when TOA is enabled you could trust the
> >     originating sequence source rather than generate a per-entry
> sequence,
> >     and in neither case you need to actually use a Lock.
> >     I haven't thought how the sequences would need to interact (if they
> >     need), but they seem complementary to resolve different aspects, and
> >     also both benefit from the same cleanup and basic structure.
> >
> >
> > We don't acquire locks at all on the backup owners - either in tx or
> > non-tx caches. If state transfer is in progress, we use
> > ConcurrentHashMap.compute() to store tracking information, which uses a
> > synchronized block, so I suppose we do acquire locks. I assume your
> > proposal would require a DataContainer.compute() or something similar on
> > the backups, to ensure that the version check and the replacement are
> > atomic.
> >
> > I still think TOA does what you want for tx caches. Your proposal would
> > only work for non-tx caches, so you couldn't use them together.
> >
> >
> >      >> Another aspect is that the "user thread" on the primary owner
> >     needs to
> >      >> wait (at least until we improve further) and only proceed after
> ACK
> >      >> from backup nodes, but this is better modelled through a state
> >      >> machine. (Also discussed in Farnborough).
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > To be clear, I don't think keeping the user thread on the
> >     originator blocked
> >      > until we have the write confirmations from all the backups is a
> >     problem - a
> >      > sync operation has to block, and it also serves to rate-limit user
> >      > operations.
> >
> >
> >     There are better ways to rate-limit than to make all operations slow;
> >     we don't need to block a thread, we need to react on the reply from
> >     the backup owners.
> >     You still have an inherent rate-limit in the outgoing packet queues:
> >     if these fill up, then and only then it's nice to introduce some back
> >     pressure.
> >
> >
> > Sorry, you got me confused when you called the thread on the primary
> > owner a "user thread". I agree that internal stuff can and should be
> > asynchronous, callback based, but the user still has to see a
> > synchronous blocking operation.
> >
> >
> >      > The problem appears when the originator is not the primary owner,
> >     and the
> >      > thread blocking for backup ACKs is from the remote-executor pool
> >     (or OOB,
> >      > when the remote-executor pool is exhausted).
> >
> >     Not following. I guess this is out of scope now that I clarified the
> >     proposed solution is only to be applied between primary and backups?
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I was just trying to clarify that there is no danger of exhausting
> > the remote executor/OOB thread pools when the originator of the write
> > command is the primary owner (as it happens in the HotRod server).
> >
> >
> >      >>
> >      >> It's also conceptually linked to:
> >      >>  - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/ISPN-1599
> >      >> As you need to separate the locks of entries from the effective
> user
> >      >> facing lock, at least to implement transactions on top of this
> >     model.
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > I think we fixed ISPN-1599 when we changed passivation to use
> >      > DataContainer.compute(). WDYT Pedro, is there anything else you'd
> >     like to do
> >      > in the scope of ISPN-1599?
> >      >
> >      >>
> >      >> I expect this to improve performance in a very significant way,
> but
> >      >> it's getting embarrassing that it's still not done; at the next
> face
> >      >> to face meeting we should also reserve some time for
> retrospective
> >      >> sessions.
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > Implementing the state machine-based interceptor stack may give
> us a
> >      > performance boost, but I'm much more certain that it's a very
> >     complex, high
> >      > risk task... and we don't have a stable test suite yet :)
> >
> >     Cleaning up and removing some complexity such as
> >     TooManyExecutorsException might help to get it stable, and keep it
> >     there :)
> >     BTW it was quite stable for me until you changed the JGroups UDP
> >     default configuration.
> >
> >
> > Do you really use UDP to run the tests? The default is TCP, but maybe
> > the some tests doesn't use TestCacheManagerFactory...
> >
> > I was just aligning our configs with Bela's recommandations: MERGE3
> > instead of MERGE2 and the removal of UFC in TCP stacks. If they cause
> > problems on your machine, you should make more noise :)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >     Sanne
> >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> Sanne
> >      >>
> >      >> On 29 July 2014 15:50, Bela Ban <bban at redhat.com
> >     <mailto:bban at redhat.com>> wrote:
> >      >> >
> >      >> >
> >      >> > On 29/07/14 16:42, Dan Berindei wrote:
> >      >> >> Have you tried regular optimistic/pessimistic transactions as
> >     well?
> >      >> >
> >      >> > Yes, in my first impl. but since I'm making only 1 change per
> >     request, I
> >      >> > thought a TX is overkill.
> >      >> >
> >      >> >> They *should* have less issues with the OOB thread pool than
> >     non-tx
> >      >> >> mode, and
> >      >> >> I'm quite curious how they stack against TO in such a large
> >     cluster.
> >      >> >
> >      >> > Why would they have fewer issues with the thread pools ? AIUI,
> >     a TX
> >      >> > involves 2 RPCs (PREPARE-COMMIT/ROLLBACK) compared to one when
> >     not using
> >      >> > TXs. And we're sync anyway...
> >      >> >
> >      >> >
> >      >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Bela Ban <bban at redhat.com
> >     <mailto:bban at redhat.com>
> >      >> >> <mailto:bban at redhat.com <mailto:bban at redhat.com>>> wrote:
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     Following up on my own email, I changed the config to use
> >     Pedro's
> >      >> >>     excellent total order implementation:
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     <transaction transactionMode="TRANSACTIONAL"
> >      >> >>     transactionProtocol="TOTAL_ORDER" lockingMode="OPTIMISTIC"
> >      >> >>     useEagerLocking="true" eagerLockSingleNode="true">
> >      >> >>                   <recovery enabled="false"/>
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     With 100 nodes and 25 requester threads/node, I did NOT
> >     run into
> >      >> >> any
> >      >> >>     locking issues !
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     I could even go up to 200 requester threads/node and the
> >     perf was ~
> >      >> >>     7'000-8'000 requests/sec/node. Not too bad !
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     This really validates the concept of lockless total-order
> >      >> >> dissemination
> >      >> >>     of TXs; for the first time, this has been tested on a
> >     large(r)
> >      >> >> scale
> >      >> >>     (previously only on 25 nodes) and IT WORKS ! :-)
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     I still believe we should implement my suggested solution
> for
> >      >> >> non-TO
> >      >> >>     configs, but short of configuring thread pools of 1000
> >     threads or
> >      >> >>     higher, I hope TO will allow me to finally test a 500 node
> >      >> >> Infinispan
> >      >> >>     cluster !
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     On 29/07/14 15:56, Bela Ban wrote:
> >      >> >>      > Hi guys,
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > sorry for the long post, but I do think I ran into an
> >     important
> >      >> >>     problem
> >      >> >>      > and we need to fix it ... :-)
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > I've spent the last couple of days running the
> >     IspnPerfTest [1]
> >      >> >>     perftest
> >      >> >>      > on Google Compute Engine (GCE), and I've run into a
> >     problem with
> >      >> >>      > Infinispan. It is a design problem and can be
> mitigated by
> >      >> >> sizing
> >      >> >>     thread
> >      >> >>      > pools correctly, but cannot be eliminated entirely.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Symptom:
> >      >> >>      > --------
> >      >> >>      > IspnPerfTest has every node in a cluster perform
> >     20'000 requests
> >      >> >>     on keys
> >      >> >>      > in range [1..20000].
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > 80% of the requests are reads and 20% writes.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > By default, we have 25 requester threads per node and
> >     100 nodes
> >      >> >> in a
> >      >> >>      > cluster, so a total of 2500 requester threads.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > The cache used is NON-TRANSACTIONAL / dist-sync / 2
> >     owners:
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > <namedCache name="clusteredCache">
> >      >> >>      >        <clustering mode="distribution">
> >      >> >>      >            <stateTransfer awaitInitialTransfer="true"/>
> >      >> >>      >            <hash numOwners="2"/>
> >      >> >>      >            <sync replTimeout="20000"/>
> >      >> >>      >        </clustering>
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >        <transaction transactionMode="NON_TRANSACTIONAL"
> >      >> >>      > useEagerLocking="true"
> >      >> >>      >             eagerLockSingleNode="true"  />
> >      >> >>      >        <locking lockAcquisitionTimeout="5000"
> >      >> >> concurrencyLevel="1000"
> >      >> >>      >                 isolationLevel="READ_COMMITTED"
> >      >> >>     useLockStriping="false" />
> >      >> >>      > </namedCache>
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > It has 2 owners, a lock acquisition timeout of 5s and
> >     a repl
> >      >> >>     timeout of
> >      >> >>      > 20s. Lock stripting is off, so we have 1 lock per key.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > When I run the test, I always get errors like those
> below:
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > org.infinispan.util.concurrent.TimeoutException:
> Unable to
> >      >> >>     acquire lock
> >      >> >>      > after [10 seconds] on key [19386] for requestor
> >      >> >>     [Thread[invoker-3,5,main]]!
> >      >> >>      > Lock held by
> [Thread[OOB-194,ispn-perf-test,m5.1,5,main]]
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > and
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > org.infinispan.util.concurrent.TimeoutException: Node
> >     m8.1 timed
> >      >> >> out
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Investigation:
> >      >> >>      > ------------
> >      >> >>      > When I looked at UNICAST3, I saw a lot of missing
> >     messages on
> >      >> >> the
> >      >> >>      > receive side and unacked messages on the send side.
> >     This caused
> >      >> >> me to
> >      >> >>      > look into the (mainly OOB) thread pools and - voila -
> >     maxed out
> >      >> >> !
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > I learned from Pedro that the Infinispan internal
> >     thread pool
> >      >> >> (with a
> >      >> >>      > default of 32 threads) can be configured, so I
> >     increased it to
> >      >> >>     300 and
> >      >> >>      > increased the OOB pools as well.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > This mitigated the problem somewhat, but when I
> >     increased the
> >      >> >>     requester
> >      >> >>      > threads to 100, I had the same problem again.
> >     Apparently, the
> >      >> >>     Infinispan
> >      >> >>      > internal thread pool uses a rejection policy of "run"
> >     and thus
> >      >> >>     uses the
> >      >> >>      > JGroups (OOB) thread when exhausted.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > I learned (from Pedro and Mircea) that GETs and PUTs
> >     work as
> >      >> >>     follows in
> >      >> >>      > dist-sync / 2 owners:
> >      >> >>      > - GETs are sent to the primary and backup owners and
> >     the first
> >      >> >>     response
> >      >> >>      > received is returned to the caller. No locks are
> >     acquired, so
> >      >> >> GETs
> >      >> >>      > shouldn't cause problems.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > - A PUT(K) is sent to the primary owner of K
> >      >> >>      > - The primary owner
> >      >> >>      >        (1) locks K
> >      >> >>      >        (2) updates the backup owner synchronously
> >     *while holding
> >      >> >>     the lock*
> >      >> >>      >        (3) releases the lock
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Hypothesis
> >      >> >>      > ----------
> >      >> >>      > (2) above is done while holding the lock. The sync
> >     update of the
> >      >> >>     backup
> >      >> >>      > owner is done with the lock held to guarantee that the
> >     primary
> >      >> >> and
> >      >> >>      > backup owner of K have the same values for K.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > However, the sync update *inside the lock scope* slows
> >     things
> >      >> >>     down (can
> >      >> >>      > it also lead to deadlocks?); there's the risk that the
> >     request
> >      >> >> is
> >      >> >>      > dropped due to a full incoming thread pool, or that
> >     the response
> >      >> >>     is not
> >      >> >>      > received because of the same, or that the locking at
> >     the backup
> >      >> >> owner
> >      >> >>      > blocks for some time.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > If we have many threads modifying the same key, then
> >     we have a
> >      >> >>     backlog
> >      >> >>      > of locking work against that key. Say we have 100
> >     requester
> >      >> >>     threads and
> >      >> >>      > a 100 node cluster. This means that we have 10'000
> threads
> >      >> >> accessing
> >      >> >>      > keys; with 2'000 writers there's a big chance that
> >     some writers
> >      >> >>     pick the
> >      >> >>      > same key at the same time.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > For example, if we have 100 threads accessing key K
> >     and it takes
> >      >> >>     3ms to
> >      >> >>      > replicate K to the backup owner, then the last of the
> 100
> >      >> >> threads
> >      >> >>     waits
> >      >> >>      > ~300ms before it gets a chance to lock K on the
> >     primary owner
> >      >> >> and
> >      >> >>      > replicate it as well.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Just a small hiccup in sending the PUT to the primary
> >     owner,
> >      >> >>     sending the
> >      >> >>      > modification to the backup owner, waitting for the
> >     response, or
> >      >> >>     GC, and
> >      >> >>      > the delay will quickly become bigger.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Verification
> >      >> >>      > ----------
> >      >> >>      > To verify the above, I set numOwners to 1. This means
> >     that the
> >      >> >>     primary
> >      >> >>      > owner of K does *not* send the modification to the
> >     backup owner,
> >      >> >>     it only
> >      >> >>      > locks K, modifies K and unlocks K again.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > I ran the IspnPerfTest again on 100 nodes, with 25
> >     requesters,
> >      >> >> and NO
> >      >> >>      > PROBLEM !
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > I then increased the requesters to 100, 150 and 200
> >     and the test
> >      >> >>      > completed flawlessly ! Performance was around *40'000
> >     requests
> >      >> >>     per node
> >      >> >>      > per sec* on 4-core boxes !
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Root cause
> >      >> >>      > ---------
> >      >> >>      > *******************
> >      >> >>      > The root cause is the sync RPC of K to the backup
> >     owner(s) of K
> >      >> >> while
> >      >> >>      > the primary owner holds the lock for K.
> >      >> >>      > *******************
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > This causes a backlog of threads waiting for the lock
> >     and that
> >      >> >>     backlog
> >      >> >>      > can grow to exhaust the thread pools. First the
> Infinispan
> >      >> >> internal
> >      >> >>      > thread pool, then the JGroups OOB thread pool. The
> >     latter causes
> >      >> >>      > retransmissions to get dropped, which compounds the
> >     problem...
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Goal
> >      >> >>      > ----
> >      >> >>      > The goal is to make sure that primary and backup
> >     owner(s) of K
> >      >> >>     have the
> >      >> >>      > same value for K.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Simply sending the modification to the backup owner(s)
> >      >> >> asynchronously
> >      >> >>      > won't guarantee this, as modification messages might
> get
> >      >> >>     processed out
> >      >> >>      > of order as they're OOB !
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Suggested solution
> >      >> >>      > ----------------
> >      >> >>      > The modification RPC needs to be invoked *outside of
> >     the lock
> >      >> >> scope*:
> >      >> >>      > - lock K
> >      >> >>      > - modify K
> >      >> >>      > - unlock K
> >      >> >>      > - send modification to backup owner(s) // outside the
> >     lock scope
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > The primary owner puts the modification of K into a
> >     queue from
> >      >> >>     where a
> >      >> >>      > separate thread/task removes it. The thread then
> >     invokes the
> >      >> >>     PUT(K) on
> >      >> >>      > the backup owner(s).
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > The queue has the modified keys in FIFO order, so the
> >      >> >> modifications
> >      >> >>      > arrive at the backup owner(s) in the right order.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > This requires that the way GET is implemented changes
> >     slightly:
> >      >> >>     instead
> >      >> >>      > of invoking a GET on all owners of K, we only invoke
> >     it on the
> >      >> >>     primary
> >      >> >>      > owner, then the next-in-line etc.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > The reason for this is that the backup owner(s) may
> >     not yet have
> >      >> >>      > received the modification of K.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > This is a better impl anyway (we discussed this
> >     before) becuse
> >      >> >> it
> >      >> >>      > generates less traffic; in the normal case, all but 1
> GET
> >      >> >>     requests are
> >      >> >>      > unnecessary.
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Improvement
> >      >> >>      > -----------
> >      >> >>      > The above solution can be simplified and even made more
> >      >> >> efficient.
> >      >> >>      > Re-using concepts from IRAC [2], we can simply store
> the
> >      >> >> modified
> >      >> >>     *keys*
> >      >> >>      > in the modification queue. The modification
> >     replication thread
> >      >> >>     removes
> >      >> >>      > the key, gets the current value and invokes a
> >     PUT/REMOVE on the
> >      >> >>     backup
> >      >> >>      > owner(s).
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Even better: a key is only ever added *once*, so if we
> >     have
> >      >> >>     [5,2,17,3],
> >      >> >>      > adding key 2 is a no-op because the processing of key
> >     2 (in
> >      >> >> second
> >      >> >>      > position in the queue) will fetch the up-to-date value
> >     anyway !
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Misc
> >      >> >>      > ----
> >      >> >>      > - Could we possibly use total order to send the
> >     updates in TO ?
> >      >> >>     TBD (Pedro?)
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > Thoughts ?
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>      > [1] https://github.com/belaban/IspnPerfTest
> >      >> >>      > [2]
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>
> >
> https://github.com/infinispan/infinispan/wiki/RAC:-Reliable-Asynchronous-Clustering
> >      >> >>      >
> >      >> >>
> >      >> >>     --
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