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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 Feb 2013 17:51, "Manik Surtani" <<a href="mailto:msurtani@redhat.com" target="_blank">msurtani@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><div>On 6 Feb 2013, at 15:37, Galder Zamarreño wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I don't think that encouraging scala code is good purely for maintenance reasons. If there's a choice, it should be java. Not saying that learning a new language is not cool - but in practice people are a bit put off by maintaining Scala code. Its not only about what the writer of the code prefers as a language: it's more important what the maintainers of the code<span> </span><br>
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<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Would such maintainers also be put off by new language features (lambdas) in Java 8 when we (eventually) baseline to it? :-)<br></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">It's really NOT the same thing: any decent java programmer keeps up with all the enhancements in Java.<span> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What I might not want to - as an ISPN programmer - is to keep up with the language enhancements in Scala. And I might need to do that because of Scala language enhancements used in ISPN.<br>
</blockquote><br>^ I wonder whether C programmers thought the same way 20 years ago.<br></span></blockquote>Personally I don't believe Scala is the next big thing as it doesn't have a "killer" feature, e.g. OOP from C -> C++ or GC from C++ -> Java. </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's 20/20 hindsight. Lots of C developers said OOP was bullish*t when C++ came about, and even today some C++ folks argue than GC is for losers. :) </div><div><br></div></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not sure about C developers, but there are plenty of developers in the functional camp who still say OOP is bullsh*t :)<br></div><div><br>And many of the GC arguments were only invalidated 10 years after Java came out, as multi-core became the norm and the GC could use a "free" core.<br>
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As Alan said, I for one look forward to writing all my code in JavaScript but until that day there is a lot of innovation we ought to embrace. Java's shown itself to be slow to grow and evolve. Oracle's acquisition of Sun has sped things up a lot, but it still is behind the curve. There's a good reason why Ruby, Python, Erlang and Scala are gaining popularity. If you've ever spent any time writing extensive code in any of these platforms you'd understand why.</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Seriously, what do JavaScript, Ruby, Python, Erlang and Scala have in common? The only thing I can think of is "they're not Java" :)<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
I think Python is just as slow to evolve as Java, maybe even slower. And it's not just the language itself, but the community as well: Python 3.0 came out in 2008, yet not everyone is on board just yet (<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5009484">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5009484</a>).<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Scala seems to be on the other end of the spectrum, adding a truck-load of features every couple of years. My feeling is the Scala guys haven't learned that every new feature starts at -100 points yet: <a href="http://www.scala-lang.org/node/43">http://www.scala-lang.org/node/43</a><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericgu/archive/2004/01/12/57985.aspx"></a></div>
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