<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Sanne Grinovero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sanne@infinispan.org" target="_blank">sanne@infinispan.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On 13 April 2013 11:20, Bela Ban <<a href="mailto:bban@redhat.com">bban@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 4/13/13 2:02 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:<br>
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>> @All, the performance problem seemed to be caused by a problem in<br>
>> JGroups, which I've logged here:<br>
>> <a href="https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JGRP-1617" target="_blank">https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JGRP-1617</a><br>
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> Almost no information attached to the case :-( If it wasn't you, Sanne,<br>
> I'd outright reject the case ...<br>
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</div>I wouldn't blame you, and am sorry for the lack of details: as I said<br>
it was very late, still I preferred to share the observations we made<br>
so far.<br>
<br>
>From all the experiments we made - and some good logs I'll cleanup for<br>
sharing - it's clear that the thread is not woken up while the ACK was<br>
already received.<br>
And of course I wouldn't expect this to fail in a simple test as it<br>
wouldn't have escaped you ;-) or at least you would have had earlier<br>
reports.<br>
<br>
There are lots of complex moving parts in this scenario: from a Muxed<br>
JGroups Channel, and the Application Server responsible for<br>
initializing the stack with some added magic from CapeDwarf itself:<br>
it's not clear to me what configuration is exactly being used, for<br>
one.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Does CD also change the JGroups configuration? I thought it only tweaks the Infinispan cache configuration on deployment, and the JGroups channel is already started by the time the CD application is deployed.<br>
<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Without a testcase we might not be 100% sure but it seems likely to be<br>
an unexpected behaviour in JGroups, at least under some very specific<br>
setup.<br>
<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I'm glad to help tracking down more details of what could trigger<br>
this, but I'm not too eager to write a full unit test for this as it<br>
involves a lot of other components, and by mocking my own components<br>
out I could still reproduce it: it's not Hibernate Search, so I'll<br>
need the help from the field experts.<br>
<br>
Also I suspect a test would need to depend on many more components: is<br>
JGroups having an easy way to manage dependencies nowadays?<br>
<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
some more inline:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
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> The MessageDispatcher will *not* wait until the timeout kicks in, it'll<br>
> return as soon as it has acks from all members of the target set. This<br>
> works and is covered with a bunch of unit tests, so a regression would<br>
> have been caught immediately.<br>
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</div>I don't doubt the "vanilla scenario", but this is what happens in the<br>
more complex case of the CapeDwarf setup.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My first guess would be that the MuxRpcDispatcher on the second node hasn't started yet by the time you call castMessage on the first node. It could be that your workaround just delayed the message a little bit, until the MuxRpcDispatcher on the other node actually started (because the JChannel is already started on both nodes, but as long as the MuxRpcDispatcher isn't started on the 2nd node it won't send any responses back).<br>
<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
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> I attached a test program to JGRP-1617 which shows that this feature<br>
> works correctly.<br>
><br>
> Of course, if you lose an ack (e.g. due to a maxed out incoming / OOB<br>
> thread pool), the unicast protocol will have to retransmit the ack until<br>
> it has been received. Depending on the unicast protocol you use, this<br>
> will be immediate (UNICAST, UNICAST3), or based on a stability interval<br>
> (UNICAST2).<br>
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</div>Right it's totally possible this is a stack configuration problem in the AS.<br>
I wouldn't be the best to ask that though, I don't even understand the<br>
configuration format.<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You can get the actual JGroups configuration with channel.getProtocolStack().printProtocolSpecAsXml(), but I wouldn't expect you to find any surprises there: they should use pretty much the JGroups defaults.<br>
<br></div><div>By default STABLE.desired_avg_gossip is 20s and STABLE.stability_delay is 6s, so even if the message was lost it should take < 30s for the message to be resent.<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">
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>> For the record, the first operation was indeed triggering some lazy<br>
>> initialization of indexes, which in turn would trigger a Lucene<br>
>> Directory being started, triggering 3 Cache starts which in turn would<br>
>> trigger 6 state transfer processes: so indeed the first operation<br>
>> would not be exactly "cheap" performance wise, still this would<br>
>> complete in about 120 milliseconds.<br>
><br>
> This sounds very low for the work you describe above. I don't think 6<br>
> state transfers can be completed in 120ms, unless they're async (but<br>
> then that means they're not done when you return). Also, cache starts<br>
> (wrt JGroups) will definitely take more than a few seconds if you're the<br>
> first cluster node...<br>
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</div>It's a unit test: the caches are initially empty and networking is loopback,<br>
on the second round some ~6 elements are in the cache, no larger than<br>
~10 character strings.<br>
Should be reasonable?<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I think it's reasonable, if the JChannel was already started before the CD application was deployed. Starting the first JChannel would take at least 3s, which is the default PING.timeout.<br>
<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
>> Not being sure about the options of depending to a newer JGroups<br>
>> release or the complexity of a fix, I'll implement a workaround in<br>
>> HSearch in the scope of HSEARCH-1296.<br>
><br>
><br>
> If you add more information to JGRP-1617, I'll take a look. This would<br>
> be a critical bug in JGroups *if* you can prove that the<br>
> MessageDispatcher always runs into the timeout (I don't think you can<br>
> though !).<br>
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</div>Considering the easy workaround and that definitely this needs<br>
something special in the configuration, I wouldn't consider it too<br>
critical? For as far as we know now, it's entirely possible the<br>
configuration being used is illegal. But this is exactly where I need<br>
your help ;-)<br>
<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure that your workaround is 100% effective, even if it doesn't happen in this test it's always possible to have the app deployed on some of the nodes in the cluster, but not all.<br>
<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
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>> As a lesson learned, I think we need to polish some of our TRACE level<br>
>> messaged to include the cache name: to resolve this we had not just<br>
>> many threads and components but also 4 of them where using JGroups<br>
>> (interleaving messages of all sorts) and 9 different caches where<br>
>> involved for each simple write operation in CD: made it interesting to<br>
>> figure what was going on!<br>
><br>
> Yes, that would help. In JGroups, I usually log the cluster address of<br>
> the thread that's writing to the log, so I can differentiate between<br>
> different clusters on the same host.<br>
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</div>Right, thread names and message correlation ids have been extremely useful,<br>
it's mostly the multiple Infinispan - caches without a name statement<br>
which should be improved as often the same user thread would invoke a<br>
sequence of operations on different caches, so same thread and same<br>
cluster name.. to make things funnier this was interleaving messages<br>
from non-transactional caches with optimistic and pessimistic<br>
messages, even Mircea got confused on WTF was going on at some point<br>
:-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's only because he forgot to change the appender's pattern layout :)<br><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im"><br>
><br>
>> Also I'm wondering how hard it would be to<br>
>> have a log parser which converts my 10GB of text log from today in a<br>
>> graphical sequence diagram.<br>
><br>
> Yes, something like wireshark "follow TCP" feature would be very helpful !<br>
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</div>+100<br>
More on that, a basic initial step would be something which filtered<br>
out all non-related information; for example an option "hide/show<br>
stable messages", etc..<br>
<br>
On the testcase again: glad to help if I can but please don't forget<br>
this is by far not my field nor my priority, in working hours at least<br>
;-)<br>
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Cheers,<br>
Sanne<br>
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> Bela Ban, JGroups lead (<a href="http://www.jgroups.org" target="_blank">http://www.jgroups.org</a>)<br>
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