<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Issue is what goes in a newbie guide varies depending on who you talk to. For me and burr, it would be how to write apps. For you it's layout of server + connecting a datasource.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I think this split works well. A basic guide about how to write apps. A basic guide on how to use the server. Then reference guides for the detail.</div><div><br></div><div>So basically, I think the way you would split it is wrong :-p<br><br>--<div>Pete Muir</div><div><a href="http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete">http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete</a></div></div><div><br>On 14 Jun 2011, at 15:00, Jim Tyrrell <<a href="mailto:jtyrrell@redhat.com">jtyrrell@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>As we are creating these docs, I would prefer to have smaller well named docs, then a kitchen sink doc. A noob guide should be just that...and not a chapter in a greater guide, if we can help it at all. Just my $ .01.<div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Peter Muir wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Shelly plans a chapter on this for the admin guide.<br><br>--<br>Pete Muir<br><a href="http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete"><a href="http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete">http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete</a></a><br><br>On 14 Jun 2011, at 12:05, Max Rydahl Andersen <<a href="mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com">max.andersen@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Is there a basic introduction to the AS 7 directory layout somewhere ?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">That is not dev or admin specific but just as basic Noob explanation.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If not I can see if I can give it a shot for the parts I know - and ask others to fill in the blanks?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">/max<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 14, 2011, at 24:23, Pete Muir wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Jim, thanks for the feedback.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I will add something about how to connect to a database, I am behind on that one ;-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Shelly is writing the Getting Started Guide for Admins, which we are aiming to have done for launch:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* server layout<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* intro to embedded console (how to connect etc.)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* details on resource adaptors.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">So hopefully that will meet what you are after :-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Last I spoke to Jason, we plan to feature links both guides prominently on localhost:8080, and each should have a short sentence or two describing content so a user goes to the right place.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 13 Jun 2011, at 19:50, Jim Tyrrell wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Pete,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Joel Tosi created a PDF, a quick look at the table of contents, I would have a chapter on.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have a war, need a database, what do I do...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A Chapter on the embedded console, how to turn it on use it...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Some thoughts on bin files that exist...I know you are targeting standalone, but there is that other .sh file there staring at people....<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just some thoughts...<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Jim Tyrrell<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Senior JBoss Solutions Architect<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Did you see RHT on CNBC's Mad Money?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056">http://www.cnbc.com/id/39401056</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 13, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Pete Muir wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">In preparation for the AS7 release, I've written an getting started guide for developers for AS 7. The focus of this guide is on the standalone mode of JBoss AS 7, and the EE 6 programming model, and consequently how you can write some simple apps using AS 7. It also includes instructions for using the AS7/EE 6 archetype that we will release alongside the guide.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I've added the guide + quickstart samples that live alongside it to the docs repo on github - <a href="https://github.com/jbossas/docs">https://github.com/jbossas/docs</a>. This repo also includes a a distro script for building a zip, and some basic development instructions for quickstarts in the README. I just want to emphasise though, that the quickstarts are aimed at users, and so aim to be as simple as possible - we've elminated as many xml files as possible, made the pom as simple as possible etc. This (especially in the pom) means that things are quite as optimised as they might be (e.g. no shared parent in the quickstart poms). This is 100% intentional - the aim here is to have something people can copy and change easily - a shared parent isn't good for this!.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Anyway, please review, and add any other guides as you wish :-)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Pete<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">jboss-as7-dev mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org">jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev</a><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">jboss-as7-dev mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org">jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">/max<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://about.me/maxandersen">http://about.me/maxandersen</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></body></html>