[jboss-dev-forums] [Design the new POJO MicroContainer] - Re: JBMICROCONT-181 & ManagedDeployments

[charles.crouch@jboss.com]

"scott.stark at jboss.org" wrote : 
  | I see a view as a presentation option to the admin user. The purpose of the managed project is to expose the managed properties/ops for tools. Presenting those to the admin in a way they understand is the tools job. Even if we did provide hints for groupings, I still see the tools wanting to display these in their specific ways and as components have new managed features they will want to update their views. 

+1. 
There is no expectation that the UI of an admin console be dynamically rendered from metadata delivered by the management api. It is the responsibility of a console and its metadata to define how the data is ultimately presented. Support for versioning within a console could handle changes to the underlying management metadata.

"adrian at jboss.org" wrote : 
  | But doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the Managed project?
  | 
  | The admin console could do everything, but expecting it to keep in step
  | with changes is almost certainly a futile hope.
  | 
  | Only if the admin console is able to react to new metadata (or old metadata
  | for that matter) will the project have any hope of staying relevant.
  | 
  | The task is equivalent in scope/work to updating the doco everytime
  | somebody adds/changes configuration options.
  | In practice, if it is done at all, it is usually late and then misleading for users
  | of older versions.

-1
Tests for the management view of a component should be included in the testsuite and run as part of the build. The management view of a component should be considered as part of its public API. If it changes in an incompatible way, then tests should fail and dependent clients need to be updated.

Thanks

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