[jboss-dev] My logging ultimatum

[Steve Ebersole]

Just a clarification, Hibernate now uses slf4j instead of jcl...

On Dec 12, 2007, at 5:31 AM, Adrian Brock wrote:

> Why do we keep having this thread over and over again
> with ever new developer?
>
> 1) Use the jboss logger
>
> JBoss has a very simple wrapper, as Jason and Scott explained.
>
> The logic is
> if (system property set)
>   use implementation of system property
> else if (log4j in classpath)
>   use log4j
> else
>   don't log
>
> Advantages:
> * You can choose log4j, jdk logging or implement a wrapper
> to your own logging framework
> * You can choose not to log at all, e.g. in a client
> where you don't control the logging configuration at all
> * It is very small
>
> $ du -h jboss-common-logging-spi-2.0.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
> 16K     jboss-common-logging-spi-2.0.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>
> 2) There are many thirdparty components using different logging
> frameworks. Even things like Hibernate and JGroups use clogging.
>
> Unless we are going to fork them to fix the logging
> we're always going to have to deal with many logging frameworks.
> (Most of them are from Apache - let a thousand WEEDS bloom :-)
>
> 3) JDK logging is broken/useless
>
> There are many bugs in the JDK logging that lead to deadlocks,
> memory leaks or just broken behaviour, we have workarounds
> for some of them (as usual a spec written for JavaSE
> doesn't anticipate the needs of JavaEE :-)
> And as has been already said, there are no useful appenders.
> Maybe with JDK7 we can fix/mitigate these problems?
>
> I'm sure this thread will appear again in 6 months when
> the next new developer joins the project.
> Logging always seems to be one of those flamebait topics,
> I don't see why, it really isn't that interesting. :-)
>
> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 00:01 -0600, David M. Lloyd wrote:
>> What's the motivation behind this?  Just dropping log4j?  It seems to
>> me that we'd want to provide some way for the tons of crap still  
>> using
>> log4j to still log to the log file properly.
>>
>> - DML
> -- 
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Adrian Brock
> Chief Scientist
> JBoss, a division of Red Hat
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> _______________________________________________
> jboss-development mailing list
> jboss-development at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-development