[jboss-dev] JBoss Bootstrap, Embedded & Reloaded

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Bill Burke wrote:
> Stan Silvert wrote:
>> Bill Burke wrote:
>>> David M. Lloyd wrote:
>>>> Guys, modularization is one thing but it's critical that we think 
>>>> about the API that the end-user will actually end up using.  If 
>>>> it's not easy to use, nobody will use it, period.  That equals 
>>>> failure in my book.  I for one would rather use an API like 
>>>> Emmanuel suggested than all the dozens of different metadata 
>>>> classes and the ugly MC deployer API. 
>>>
>>> I think following these steps would do well in figuring out hwo you 
>>> want the API to look:
>>>
>>> * How hard is it to use within Eclipse?
>>> * How hard is it to use within Intellij?
>>> * How hard is it to use with a unit test for, EJB + JPA + JCA? 
>> It needs to be easier than using Cargo.  Right now I can use Cargo to 
>> start/deploy/test/stop.  I do that every day from both Maven and 
>> Ant.  I don't need to use any API at all.
>>
>> The problem is that Cargo is slow because it has to copy a new 
>> configuration.  Embedded should be faster.  If it's not faster and 
>> easier to configure than Cargo then you've lost.  Note that this 
>> might just mean having JBoss Embedded as a Cargo-supported container. 
>
> Again, I want to be able to right click on a test directory and run 
> all the tests in there without having any special IDE plugin.  Having 
> an embeddable servlet container to do RESTEasy unit testing has been a 
> huge productivity boost for me.  The days of manually starting some 
> process (and waiting) are over for me.  I refuse to use any tech that 
> doesn't allow me to be this productive. 
You guys are talking about two *different* but both valid usecases:

Bill's: Quick turnaround in IDE's and plain unittests (requires fast 
startup and possible to start the server from information found on the 
classpath of the project - the hard part)
Stan's: Integration testing support in the various build systems 
requiring external process - this should be easy since it already exist :)

/max