How about the second part? Have you done something like this? 1. Lookup entity. 2. Remove entity. 3. Try and persist removed managed entity. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4036844#4036844 Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&p=4036844