From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:02:14 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:02:14 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Sande / Marek,

As discussed on jbossdeveloper list, the jdf-site at openshift is 
stopped and it will be deleted next week.

Marek,

Do you have any reason to keep it running ?

Em 7/30/14, 12:13, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
> I stopped http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/ and I'll delete it in one week.
>
> Em 7/30/14, 11:59, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean by removing the sandbox openshift jdf-site domain (that 
>>> is marked as " leave it") ?
>> Yes, on reflection I would prefer moving this.
>>
>>> Sorry, but I don't get what you mean by remove all those pages..
>> Delete em.
>>
>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:51, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Ok, so let?s remove all those pages from the web.
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:44, Rafael Benevides
>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There's no site for plugin-jdf. I consider it as deprecated as It 
>>>>> is marked as "goes away" as part of JDF retirement plan and we 
>>>>> have now Forge 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:41, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafael, do we have a new site for plugin-jdf? Or do we just need 
>>>>>> to remove it now? We can?t use site-jdf any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:35, Paul Robinson
>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. It seems like we are missing a redirect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I'm interested to know where this is being linked from, 
>>>>>>> to ensure the redirect still makes sense in that context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:28, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The whole /jdf site shouldn't be accessible and it should 
>>>>>>>> redirect to /developer-materials
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the old JDF site, we keep a copy of it at openshift:
>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 9:22, Paul Robinson escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How did you get to this page? Was it from your bookmark, or 
>>>>>>>>> was it linked from somewhere?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 08:19, Max Rydahl Andersen
>>>>>>>>> <manderse at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> was looking for the old jdf pages and found this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it looks like some stylesheets is messed up ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /max
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt 
>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt 
>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:03:10 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:03:10 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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> Sande / Marek,
>
> As discussed on jbossdeveloper list, the jdf-site at openshift is
> stopped and it will be deleted next week.
>
> Marek,
>
> Do you have any reason to keep it running ?
>
> Em 7/30/14, 12:13, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>> I stopped http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/ and I'll delete it in one week.
>>
>> Em 7/30/14, 11:59, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you mean by removing the sandbox openshift jdf-site domain (that
>>>> is marked as " leave it") ?
>>> Yes, on reflection I would prefer moving this.
>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I don't get what you mean by remove all those pages..
>>> Delete em.
>>>
>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:51, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> Ok, so let?s remove all those pages from the web.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:44, Rafael Benevides
>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no site for plugin-jdf. I consider it as deprecated as It
>>>>>> is marked as "goes away" as part of JDF retirement plan and we
>>>>>> have now Forge 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:41, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafael, do we have a new site for plugin-jdf? Or do we just need
>>>>>>> to remove it now? We can?t use site-jdf any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:35, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree. It seems like we are missing a redirect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I'm interested to know where this is being linked from,
>>>>>>>> to ensure the redirect still makes sense in that context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:28, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole /jdf site shouldn't be accessible and it should
>>>>>>>>> redirect to /developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the old JDF site, we keep a copy of it at openshift:
>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 9:22, Paul Robinson escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How did you get to this page? Was it from your bookmark, or
>>>>>>>>>> was it linked from somewhere?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 08:19, Max Rydahl Andersen
>>>>>>>>>> <manderse at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was looking for the old jdf pages and found this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it looks like some stylesheets is messed up ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> /max
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From mnovotny at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:04:20 2014
From: mnovotny at redhat.com (Marek Novotny)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:04:20 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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No, I was just a messanger for Sande ;)

Dne 1.8.2014 14:03, Rafael Benevides napsal(a):
>
>> Sande / Marek,
>>
>> As discussed on jbossdeveloper list, the jdf-site at openshift is
>> stopped and it will be deleted next week.
>>
>> Marek,
>>
>> Do you have any reason to keep it running ?
>>
>> Em 7/30/14, 12:13, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>> I stopped http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/ and I'll delete it in one week.
>>>
>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:59, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean by removing the sandbox openshift jdf-site domain (that
>>>>> is marked as " leave it") ?
>>>> Yes, on reflection I would prefer moving this.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I don't get what you mean by remove all those pages..
>>>> Delete em.
>>>>
>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:51, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> Ok, so let?s remove all those pages from the web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:44, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no site for plugin-jdf. I consider it as deprecated as It
>>>>>>> is marked as "goes away" as part of JDF retirement plan and we
>>>>>>> have now Forge 2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:41, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafael, do we have a new site for plugin-jdf? Or do we just need
>>>>>>>> to remove it now? We can?t use site-jdf any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:35, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree. It seems like we are missing a redirect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I'm interested to know where this is being linked from,
>>>>>>>>> to ensure the redirect still makes sense in that context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:28, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole /jdf site shouldn't be accessible and it should
>>>>>>>>>> redirect to /developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the old JDF site, we keep a copy of it at openshift:
>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 9:22, Paul Robinson escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did you get to this page? Was it from your bookmark, or
>>>>>>>>>>> was it linked from somewhere?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 08:19, Max Rydahl Andersen
>>>>>>>>>>> <manderse at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was looking for the old jdf pages and found this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it looks like some stylesheets is messed up ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /max
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


-- 
Marek Novotny
--
WFK and Seam Product Lead

Red Hat Czech s.r.o.
Purkynova 99
612 45 Brno


From pmuir at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:14:11 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:14:11 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] GitHub Usage
In-Reply-To: <9C070D65-F565-4EBF-959A-72722552B978@redhat.com>
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Adding the jbossdeveloper list. (Wes, Dan, please sign up at lists.jboss.org)

On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:13, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> We've recently created some labels on GitHub PRs. The idea is to make it easier to see, at-a-glance what the PR is waiting upon. Although Github will allow multiple labels to be present at once, our workflow forbids it.
> 
> The workflow is quite simple:
> 
> On Hold
> This is for WiP PRs and things that can't be merged until some external factor has been addressed. For example, https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/336 requires a DCP outage, so we need to wait for an appropriate time. this typically replaces the "DO NOT MERGE THIS YET" text that people have been adding.
> 
> Ready for Review
> This label means that a reviewer should take a look. Mark your PRs as this when they are ready for review or when you have completed addressing the reviewer's comments. 
> 
> Address Comments
> This means that a review round is complete and there are comments that need addressing.
> 
> Ready to Merge:
> This indicates that a reviewer is happy for the PR to be merged. This step is skipped if the reviewer merges immediately.
> 
> Awaiting retest
> This just indicates that a retest has been triggered. Once the test completes, it would most likely be switched to "Ready for Review". I added this label for my own convenience, it's not necessarily something you have to use. 
> 
> Pete and I only set this up yesterday, so it's likely to evolve over time. Lets see how we get on with it.
> 
> Paul.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Robinson
> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
> 
> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
> 



From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:15:37 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:15:37 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB81FE.8010904@redhat.com>
References: <F55F7848-6F49-4F85-9209-3F5D7D6E0114@redhat.com>	<85711A58-21F8-421E-A20C-05096D1E53D7@redhat.com>	<53D8E4E9.6050205@redhat.com>	<623031B4-E5A9-4FC2-BA94-382CE2A67DDE@redhat.com>	<BFE49280-F62D-48C1-AAE6-AFA7A5903C2D@redhat.com>	<53D904C9.7030203@redhat.com>	<7C2BEA2D-CF83-4C4F-A50E-4CA58C474BFC@redhat.com>	<53D906E5.9070405@redhat.com>	<52A46878-F1B0-427C-BF3A-21676A403C12@redhat.com>	<53D90B80.6000404@redhat.com>
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Hi Rafael,

I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.

The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of 
all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen 
for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is 
going to look really bad.

Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?

Thanks,
Sande


On 08/01/2014 08:03 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
>> Sande / Marek,
>>
>> As discussed on jbossdeveloper list, the jdf-site at openshift is
>> stopped and it will be deleted next week.
>>
>> Marek,
>>
>> Do you have any reason to keep it running ?
>>
>> Em 7/30/14, 12:13, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>> I stopped http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/ and I'll delete it in one week.
>>>
>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:59, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean by removing the sandbox openshift jdf-site domain (that
>>>>> is marked as " leave it") ?
>>>> Yes, on reflection I would prefer moving this.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I don't get what you mean by remove all those pages..
>>>> Delete em.
>>>>
>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:51, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> Ok, so let?s remove all those pages from the web.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 15:44, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no site for plugin-jdf. I consider it as deprecated as It
>>>>>>> is marked as "goes away" as part of JDF retirement plan and we
>>>>>>> have now Forge 2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 11:41, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafael, do we have a new site for plugin-jdf? Or do we just need
>>>>>>>> to remove it now? We can?t use site-jdf any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:35, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree. It seems like we are missing a redirect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I'm interested to know where this is being linked from,
>>>>>>>>> to ensure the redirect still makes sense in that context.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30 Jul 2014, at 13:28, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The whole /jdf site shouldn't be accessible and it should
>>>>>>>>>> redirect to /developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the old JDF site, we keep a copy of it at openshift:
>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 7/30/14, 9:22, Paul Robinson escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did you get to this page? Was it from your bookmark, or
>>>>>>>>>>> was it linked from somewhere?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 08:19, Max Rydahl Andersen
>>>>>>>>>>> <manderse at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was looking for the old jdf pages and found this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it looks like some stylesheets is messed up ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /max
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:16:06 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:16:06 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] GitHub Usage
In-Reply-To: <E4654E7C-E489-41B2-A65E-905797205B7A@redhat.com>
References: <9C070D65-F565-4EBF-959A-72722552B978@redhat.com>
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Awesome initiative!

Em 8/1/14, 9:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
> Adding the jbossdeveloper list. (Wes, Dan, please sign up at lists.jboss.org)
>
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:13, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We've recently created some labels on GitHub PRs. The idea is to make it easier to see, at-a-glance what the PR is waiting upon. Although Github will allow multiple labels to be present at once, our workflow forbids it.
>>
>> The workflow is quite simple:
>>
>> On Hold
>> This is for WiP PRs and things that can't be merged until some external factor has been addressed. For example, https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/336 requires a DCP outage, so we need to wait for an appropriate time. this typically replaces the "DO NOT MERGE THIS YET" text that people have been adding.
>>
>> Ready for Review
>> This label means that a reviewer should take a look. Mark your PRs as this when they are ready for review or when you have completed addressing the reviewer's comments.
>>
>> Address Comments
>> This means that a review round is complete and there are comments that need addressing.
>>
>> Ready to Merge:
>> This indicates that a reviewer is happy for the PR to be merged. This step is skipped if the reviewer merges immediately.
>>
>> Awaiting retest
>> This just indicates that a retest has been triggered. Once the test completes, it would most likely be switched to "Ready for Review". I added this label for my own convenience, it's not necessarily something you have to use.
>>
>> Pete and I only set this up yesterday, so it's likely to evolve over time. Lets see how we get on with it.
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:17:49 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:17:49 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB84E9.1060805@redhat.com>
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We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the 
search/result page.

Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Hi Rafael,
>
> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>
> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list 
> of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are 
> frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken 
> link is going to look really bad.
>
> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
> Thanks,
> Sande 


From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:17:58 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:17:58 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] GitHub Usage
In-Reply-To: <53DB8506.2080003@redhat.com>
References: <9C070D65-F565-4EBF-959A-72722552B978@redhat.com>
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	<53DB8506.2080003@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <71992667-4CEF-454F-A758-C222472B0C44@redhat.com>

Cheers,

It looks like it's really helping. For some reason I thought most of the issues were waiting on other people until I figured out what labels they needed. Then i realised most where "Ready for Review".

Here it is in action, BTW: https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pulls

Paul.

On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:16, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> Awesome initiative!
> 
> Em 8/1/14, 9:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> Adding the jbossdeveloper list. (Wes, Dan, please sign up at lists.jboss.org)
>> 
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:13, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> We've recently created some labels on GitHub PRs. The idea is to make it easier to see, at-a-glance what the PR is waiting upon. Although Github will allow multiple labels to be present at once, our workflow forbids it.
>>> 
>>> The workflow is quite simple:
>>> 
>>> On Hold
>>> This is for WiP PRs and things that can't be merged until some external factor has been addressed. For example, https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/336 requires a DCP outage, so we need to wait for an appropriate time. this typically replaces the "DO NOT MERGE THIS YET" text that people have been adding.
>>> 
>>> Ready for Review
>>> This label means that a reviewer should take a look. Mark your PRs as this when they are ready for review or when you have completed addressing the reviewer's comments.
>>> 
>>> Address Comments
>>> This means that a review round is complete and there are comments that need addressing.
>>> 
>>> Ready to Merge:
>>> This indicates that a reviewer is happy for the PR to be merged. This step is skipped if the reviewer merges immediately.
>>> 
>>> Awaiting retest
>>> This just indicates that a retest has been triggered. Once the test completes, it would most likely be switched to "Ready for Review". I added this label for my own convenience, it's not necessarily something you have to use.
>>> 
>>> Pete and I only set this up yesterday, so it's likely to evolve over time. Lets see how we get on with it.
>>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Robinson
>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>> 
>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


Paul.

-- 
Paul Robinson
JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)

JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)

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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:21:41 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:21:41 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB856D.9070005@redhat.com>
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Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We 
keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't 
change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible 
to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?

On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the 
> search/result page.
>
> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Hi Rafael,
>>
>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>
>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list 
>> of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are 
>> frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the 
>> broken link is going to look really bad.
>>
>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>> Thanks,
>> Sande 
>


From pmuir at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:22:39 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:22:39 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB8655.20506@redhat.com>
References: <F55F7848-6F49-4F85-9209-3F5D7D6E0114@redhat.com>	<85711A58-21F8-421E-A20C-05096D1E53D7@redhat.com>	<53D8E4E9.6050205@redhat.com>	<623031B4-E5A9-4FC2-BA94-382CE2A67DDE@redhat.com>	<BFE49280-F62D-48C1-AAE6-AFA7A5903C2D@redhat.com>	<53D904C9.7030203@redhat.com>	<7C2BEA2D-CF83-4C4F-A50E-4CA58C474BFC@redhat.com>	<53D906E5.9070405@redhat.com>	<52A46878-F1B0-427C-BF3A-21676A403C12@redhat.com>	<53D90B80.6000404@redhat.com>
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On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?

Sande, what link is broken?

> 
> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the search/result page.
>> 
>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> Hi Rafael,
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>> 
>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>> 
>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sande 
>> 
> 



From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:25:55 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:25:55 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <F572C818-74AD-4629-A42C-9C04D10BB1BC@redhat.com>
References: <F55F7848-6F49-4F85-9209-3F5D7D6E0114@redhat.com>	<85711A58-21F8-421E-A20C-05096D1E53D7@redhat.com>	<53D8E4E9.6050205@redhat.com>	<623031B4-E5A9-4FC2-BA94-382CE2A67DDE@redhat.com>	<BFE49280-F62D-48C1-AAE6-AFA7A5903C2D@redhat.com>	<53D904C9.7030203@redhat.com>	<7C2BEA2D-CF83-4C4F-A50E-4CA58C474BFC@redhat.com>	<53D906E5.9070405@redhat.com>	<52A46878-F1B0-427C-BF3A-21676A403C12@redhat.com>	<53D90B80.6000404@redhat.com>
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On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?
> Sande, what link is broken?
The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: 
http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip

You can see it online here: 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts

>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the search/result page.
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>
>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>
>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Sande


From pmuir at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:27:24 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:27:24 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB8753.105@redhat.com>
References: <F55F7848-6F49-4F85-9209-3F5D7D6E0114@redhat.com>	<85711A58-21F8-421E-A20C-05096D1E53D7@redhat.com>	<53D8E4E9.6050205@redhat.com>	<623031B4-E5A9-4FC2-BA94-382CE2A67DDE@redhat.com>	<BFE49280-F62D-48C1-AAE6-AFA7A5903C2D@redhat.com>	<53D904C9.7030203@redhat.com>	<7C2BEA2D-CF83-4C4F-A50E-4CA58C474BFC@redhat.com>	<53D906E5.9070405@redhat.com>	<52A46878-F1B0-427C-BF3A-21676A403C12@redhat.com>	<53D90B80.6000404@redhat.com>
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On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?
>> Sande, what link is broken?
> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
> 
> You can see it online here: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts

I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.

You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?

> 
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the search/result page.
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Sande
> 



From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:33:12 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:33:12 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <105110D3-4206-4A61-AC92-CBB04AB998E3@redhat.com>
References: <F55F7848-6F49-4F85-9209-3F5D7D6E0114@redhat.com>	<85711A58-21F8-421E-A20C-05096D1E53D7@redhat.com>	<53D8E4E9.6050205@redhat.com>	<623031B4-E5A9-4FC2-BA94-382CE2A67DDE@redhat.com>	<BFE49280-F62D-48C1-AAE6-AFA7A5903C2D@redhat.com>	<53D904C9.7030203@redhat.com>	<7C2BEA2D-CF83-4C4F-A50E-4CA58C474BFC@redhat.com>	<53D906E5.9070405@redhat.com>	<52A46878-F1B0-427C-BF3A-21676A403C12@redhat.com>	<53D90B80.6000404@redhat.com>
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Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site at 
openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former 
www.jboss.org/jdf site

Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?
>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>
>> You can see it online here: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>
> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the search/result page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sande


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:34:59 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:34:59 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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On 08/01/2014 08:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page with the table of quickstarts?
>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>
>> You can see it online here: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>
> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?

I'm not clear what you are saying. If a customer installs JBoss EAP 6.3 
and chooses to install the quickstarts, then opens the root README.html 
file to learn about the quickstarts and clicks on the link  to view the 
available quickstarts [1], they get a "Service Temporarily Unavailable".

Someone also reported it here: 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/issues/1002

While I can just remove this section from the README on Github, it is 
too late for me to remove it from the shipping JBoss EAP 6.3 quickstarts.

[1]https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts


>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the search/result page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sande


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 08:44:54 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 08:44:54 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related 
to that page, for example this one to add a download button: 
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228.

I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(

On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site 
> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former 
> www.jboss.org/jdf site
>
> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this 
>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product 
>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this 
>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page 
>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: 
>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>
>>> You can see it online here: 
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>
>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that 
>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the 
>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the 
>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the 
>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to 
>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Sande
>


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 09:18:21 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:18:21 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DB8BC6.5030609@redhat.com>
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I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on 
October 2, 2013.

  * This was the pull:
    https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
  * This was the commit:
    https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338

I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from the 
JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.

On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228.
>
> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>
> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>> www.jboss.org/jdf site
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this
>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>
>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>
>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Sande
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper

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From pmuir at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 09:27:12 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:27:12 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?

We can put redirects in place.

On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on October 2, 2013.
> 	? This was the pull: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
> 	? This was the commit: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
> 
> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related 
>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button: 
>> 
>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>> .
>> 
>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>> 
>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site 
>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former 
>>> 
>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>  site
>>> 
>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this 
>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product 
>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this 
>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page 
>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can see it online here: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>> 
>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that 
>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the 
>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the 
>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the 
>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to 
>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> 
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 



From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 09:55:01 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 09:55:01 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <AD8248C7-6CB9-48BC-A10B-3DEDC7488ECA@redhat.com>
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I searched the PressGang CMS, which is the source for a lot of the 
product documentation.

I found only one topic, Contributing [30043], that referenced 
http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-involved/.
The topic is contained in the PicketLink Reference Documentation [22639] 
here: http://docbuilder.usersys.redhat.com/22639/#Contributing.

Shane, do you know if that documentation has been published?

Other than that, the only other reference I'm aware of is in the root 
README files for the 6.2 and 6.3 quickstarts.

On 08/01/2014 09:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>
> We can put redirects in place.
>
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on October 2, 2013.
>> 	? This was the pull: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>> 	? This was the commit: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>
>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>> .
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>
>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>   site
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this
>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 10:52:34 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Ouch! Sorry

I also missed the URL when I reviewed the PR

Em 8/1/14, 10:18, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on 
> October 2, 2013.
>
>   * This was the pull:
>     https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>   * This was the commit:
>     https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>
> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from the 
> JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>
> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228.
>>
>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>> www.jboss.org/jdf  site
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda<sgilda at redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda<sgilda at redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this
>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>>
>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Sande
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>

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From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 10:56:03 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:56:03 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to 
http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/

Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>
> We can put redirects in place.
>
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on October 2, 2013.
>> 	? This was the pull: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>> 	? This was the commit: https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>
>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>> .
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>
>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>   site
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this
>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 10:58:04 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 10:58:04 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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So, can we continue to host the site you brought down? If not, can we 
build the same page somewhere on jboss.org and provide a redirect?

On 08/01/2014 10:52 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> Ouch! Sorry
>
> I also missed the URL when I reviewed the PR
>
> Em 8/1/14, 10:18, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done on 
>> October 2, 2013.
>>
>>   * This was the pull:
>>     https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>   * This was the commit:
>>     https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>
>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from 
>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf  site
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda<sgilda at redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda<sgilda at redhat.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at this
>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is broken.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken links?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:01:28 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:01:28 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DBAA83.4090104@redhat.com>
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The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says. The 
text in the README says:

The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here: 
<http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table lists 
each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a brief 
description of the quickstart, and the level of experience required to 
set it up. For more detailed information about a quickstart, click on 
the quickstart name.

That page does not have a table with all the details.

On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to 
> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>
> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced on 
>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>
>> We can put redirects in place.
>>
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done 
>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>     ? This was the pull: 
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>     ? This was the commit: 
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from 
>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs related
>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>>
>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>   site
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at 
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is 
>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the broken 
>>>>>> links?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for the
>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere else?
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:06:14 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:06:14 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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:/

Maybe we should create an arrival page at 
www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) with 
a brief text similar to:

"JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss Developer 
Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button 
bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials, 
etc..." - Rephrase needed!

Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says. 
> The text in the README says:
>
> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here: 
> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table 
> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a 
> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience 
> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a 
> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>
> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>
> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to 
>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced 
>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>
>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done 
>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>     ? This was the pull: 
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>     ? This was the commit: 
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from 
>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs 
>>>>> related
>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at 
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is 
>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the 
>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere 
>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:08:47 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:08:47 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect. 
But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.


Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
> :/
>
> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) with
> a brief text similar to:
>
> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss Developer
> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>
> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says.
>> The text in the README says:
>>
>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a
>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>
>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced
>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>
>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done
>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from
>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>> related
>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:14:41 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:14:41 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Wasn't the quickstart table on 
http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other product 
quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target Product' 
metadata  to the README files?

Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the table of 
quickstarts?

On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>
>
> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>> :/
>>
>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) with
>> a brief text similar to:
>>
>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss Developer
>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says.
>>> The text in the README says:
>>>
>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a
>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>
>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced
>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>
>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done
>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from
>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for former
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link that
>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> _______________________________________________
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From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:16:44 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:16:44 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other product 
> quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target Product' 
> metadata  to the README files?
Yes
>
> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the table 
> of quickstarts?
I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>
> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>> :/
>>>
>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) with
>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>
>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss Developer
>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says.
>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>
>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a
>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>
>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced
>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done
>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from
>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to 
>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for 
>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the link 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:24:23 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:24:23 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
> Yes
>>
>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the table 
>> of quickstarts?
> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.

Are you saying that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ 
will redirect to 
http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
And that page will contain the same contents that were on the original 
site?
If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>> :/
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) 
>>>> with
>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>
>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss Developer
>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says.
>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>
>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, gives a
>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>
>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced
>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was done
>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not from
>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to 
>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for 
>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:27:03 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 12:27:03 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>
> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>> Yes
>>>
>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>> table of quickstarts?
>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>
> Are you saying that 
> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect to 
> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the original 
> site?
> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)

Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an page 
(that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that *explains* that 
JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was moved to JBoss 
Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic redirect in x 
seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials

Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>> :/
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org URL) 
>>>>> with
>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>
>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>> Developer
>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text says.
>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we referenced
>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was 
>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not 
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to 
>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for 
>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 11:39:28 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:39:28 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>
>> Are you saying that 
>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect to 
>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>> original site?
>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>
> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an 
> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was 
> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic 
> redirect in x seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>
> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?

I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not contain 
the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I will get 
bug reports from QA. :-(

>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text 
>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was 
>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not 
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 12:30:25 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:30:25 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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On 1 Aug 2014, at 16:39, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> 
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> 
>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>> Yes
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>> 
>>> Are you saying that 
>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect to 
>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>> original site?
>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>> 
>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an 
>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was 
>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic 
>> redirect in x seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>> 
>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
> 
> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not contain 
> the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I will get 
> bug reports from QA. :-(

We came up with a plan for this in Edinburgh. It's basically a list view option with a choice on how many items per page to display. It'll be in a jira issue soon so you can comment. We will also have a wireframe and/or mockup available for you to review.

> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift redirect.
>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the button
>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, Tutorials,
>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text 
>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was 
>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not 
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
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From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:31:06 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>
> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that 
>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect 
>>> to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>> original site?
>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>
>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an 
>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was 
>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic 
>> redirect in x seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>
>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>
> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not contain 
> the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I will get 
> bug reports from QA. :-(
That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)

>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text 
>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It 
>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but 
>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. Unfortunately, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 12:32:32 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:32:32 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Ok.

So the jdf-site at openshift removal is canceled because it will have the 
redirect, right Paul and Pete ?

Em 8/1/14, 13:30, Paul Robinson escreveu:
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 16:39, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com 
> <mailto:sgilda at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that
>>>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other
>>>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target
>>>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/ 
>>>>> <http://www.jboss.org/developer-material/>"jdf-arrival" should be 
>>>>> valid.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that
>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect to
>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>> original site?
>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>
>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an
>>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was
>>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic
>>> redirect in x seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>
>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>
>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not contain
>> the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I will get
>> bug reports from QA. :-(
>
> We came up with a plan for this in Edinburgh. It's basically a list 
> view option with a choice on how many items per page to display. It'll 
> be in a jira issue soon so you can comment. We will also have a 
> wireframe and/or mockup available for you to review.
>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf <http://www.jboss.org/jdf> 
>>>>>>> to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf> (or any other 
>>>>>>>> jboss.org <http://jboss.org>
>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text
>>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates,
>>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org 
>>>>>>> <mailto:jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>
>
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 13:10:04 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:10:04 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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On 08/01/2014 12:30 PM, Paul Robinson wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 16:39, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com 
> <mailto:sgilda at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that
>>>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other
>>>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target
>>>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/ 
>>>>> <http://www.jboss.org/developer-material/>"jdf-arrival" should be 
>>>>> valid.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that
>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect to
>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>> original site?
>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>
>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an
>>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was
>>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or automatic
>>> redirect in x seconds) to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>
>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>
>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not contain
>> the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I will get
>> bug reports from QA. :-(
>
> We came up with a plan for this in Edinburgh. It's basically a list 
> view option with a choice on how many items per page to display. It'll 
> be in a jira issue soon so you can comment. We will also have a 
> wireframe and/or mockup available for you to review.
>
Thanks Paul. I appreciate it!
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf <http://www.jboss.org/jdf> 
>>>>>>> to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf 
>>>>>>>> <http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf> (or any other 
>>>>>>>> jboss.org <http://jboss.org>
>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text
>>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found here:
>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates,
>>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It was
>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but not
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it moved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org 
>>>>>>> <mailto:jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org>
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org <mailto:jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org>
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>
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> Paul.
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From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 13:15:45 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one that 
>>>>>> included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and other 
>>>>>> product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 'Target 
>>>>>> Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect 
>>>> to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>> original site?
>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>
>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an 
>>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was 
>>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>
>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>
>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I 
>> will get bug reports from QA. :-(
> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)

Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the text 
>>>>>>>>> says.
>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found 
>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The table
>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It 
>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 13:17:05 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:17:05 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>
> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one 
>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and 
>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 
>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will redirect 
>>>>> to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>>> original site?
>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to an 
>>>> page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) was 
>>>> moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>
>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>
>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, I 
>>> will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>
> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the 
>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found 
>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The 
>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it demonstrates, 
>>>>>>>>>> gives a
>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of experience
>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both point 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 14:06:09 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:06:09 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DBCB91.2070506@redhat.com>
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Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton 
that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each 
demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a 
prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the 
metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get 
that information, which is really ugly.

Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate 
that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML? 
I could then check the HTML file into the 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web 
site and we could redirect it there?

Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version 
of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.

WDYT?


On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one 
>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and 
>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 
>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will 
>>>>>> redirect to 
>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to 
>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) 
>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>
>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>
>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, 
>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>
>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the 
>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found 
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it 
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of 
>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 14:09:20 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:09:20 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
In-Reply-To: <53DBD711.9090000@redhat.com>
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I'm not sure. I think it worth a discussion with Pete, Paul and 
Catherine also.

Em 8/1/14, 15:06, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table 
> ton that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies 
> each demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there 
> was a prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to 
> read the metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file 
> to get that information, which is really ugly.
>
> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate 
> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the 
> HTML? I could then check the HTML file into the 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ 
> web site and we could redirect it there?
>
> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product 
> version of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.
>
> WDYT?
>
>
> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>
>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one 
>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and 
>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 
>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with 
>>>>>>>>> the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will 
>>>>>>> redirect to 
>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to 
>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) 
>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, 
>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>
>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other 
>>>>>>>>>>> jboss.org URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on 
>>>>>>>>>>> the button
>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The 
>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug  1 14:12:55 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 14:12:55 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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I agree. This information is pretty important for developers and I hate 
to lose it.

On 08/01/2014 02:09 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> I'm not sure. I think it worth a discussion with Pete, Paul and 
> Catherine also.
>
> Em 8/1/14, 15:06, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table 
>> ton that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies 
>> each demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether 
>> there was a prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell 
>> them to read the metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart 
>> README file to get that information, which is really ugly.
>>
>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate 
>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the 
>> HTML? I could then check the HTML file into the 
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ 
>> web site and we could redirect it there?
>>
>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product 
>> version of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>
>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one 
>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and 
>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 
>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with 
>>>>>>>>>> the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will 
>>>>>>>> redirect to 
>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to 
>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) 
>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README 
>>>>>> files, I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>> jboss.org URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the button
>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The table
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 07:20:30 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:20:30 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.

On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton 
> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each 
> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a 
> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the 
> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get 
> that information, which is really ugly.
> 
> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate 
> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML? 
> I could then check the HTML file into the 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web 
> site and we could redirect it there?
> 
> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version 
> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
> 
> WDYT?
> 
> 
> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> 
>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> 
>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on 
>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one 
>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and 
>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the 
>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the 
>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to 
>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are you saying that 
>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will 
>>>>>>> redirect to 
>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the 
>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to 
>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that 
>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc) 
>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or 
>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to 
>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not 
>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files, 
>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>> 
>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to 
>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift 
>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org 
>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss 
>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the 
>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes, 
>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found 
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The 
>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 08:53:30 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:53:30 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
This would increase the history of project/product
>
> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>
>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>
>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
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From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 08:55:08 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:55:08 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?

These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.

>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
> This would increase the history of project/product

What does this mean?

>> 
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>> 
>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>> 
>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>> 
>>> WDYT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:03:54 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:03:54 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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We should fire a Jira for these.

Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>
>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>> This would increase the history of project/product
> What does this mean?
During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having 
a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer 
Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>
>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>
>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:17:07 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:17:07 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> We should fire a Jira for these.
> 
> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/

the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.

>> 
>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>> What does this mean?
> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.

Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).

>> 
>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>> 
>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 



From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:17:37 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:17:37 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.

On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>> 
>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
> 
> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
> 
>>> 
>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>> What does this mean?
>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
> 
> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> 
> 



From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:20:11 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:20:11 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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I liked that :)

So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on 
site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only

Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>
>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>> What does this mean?
>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:26:01 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:26:01 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.

On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> I liked that :)
> 
> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
> 
> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>> 
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 09:44:05 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:44:05 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.

Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> I liked that :)
>>
>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>
>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From sgilda at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 10:27:16 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:27:16 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all 
morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I 
understand.

This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the 
quickstarts along with the metadata such as  the technologies they use, 
the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite?

On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>
> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners 
>> code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you 
>> don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I liked that :)
>>>
>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on 
>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if 
>>>> they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from 
>>>>>>>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view 
>>>>>>>>> - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will 
>>>>>>>>> start to work
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I 
>>>>>>> don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a 
>>>>>>> strong need.
>>>>>> Google has also results for 
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view 
>>>>>>>>> looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, 
>>>>>>>>> do it then
>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this 
>>>>>>>>> should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the 
>>>>>>>>> destination side.
>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products 
>>>>>> having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking 
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss 
>>>>>> Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like 
>>>>>> to make it explicit.
>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you 
>>>>> click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. 
>>>>>>>>>> The table ton
>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the 
>>>>>>>>>> technologies each
>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether 
>>>>>>>>>> there was a
>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to 
>>>>>>>>>> read the
>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file 
>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to 
>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to 
>>>>>>>>>> generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ 
>>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the 
>>>>>>>>>> product version
>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>> quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 10:28:20 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:28:20 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
	weird...
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On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:27, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I understand.
> 
> This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the quickstarts along with the metadata such as  the technologies they use, the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite?

No. This will be an optional view on www.jboss.org/developer-materials. The redirect will go directly to this view.

> 
> On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>> 
>> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I liked that :)
>>>> 
>>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> 
> 



From sgilda at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 10:31:34 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 10:31:34 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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On 08/05/2014 10:28 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:27, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I understand.
>>
>> This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the quickstarts along with the metadata such as  the technologies they use, the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite?
> No. This will be an optional view on www.jboss.org/developer-materials. The redirect will go directly to this view.
I think that is what I was trying to say, but I forgot to paste the [1] 
http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart.

The above link is the view that will contain the table?
>> On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I liked that :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 10:35:58 2014
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With a &layout=list appended to the URL

On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:31, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 08/05/2014 10:28 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:27, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I understand.
>>> 
>>> This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the quickstarts along with the metadata such as  the technologies they use, the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite?
>> No. This will be an optional view on www.jboss.org/developer-materials. The redirect will go directly to this view.
> I think that is what I was trying to say, but I forgot to paste the [1] http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart.
> 
> The above link is the view that will contain the table?
>>> On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I liked that :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>>>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>>>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 



From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 12:26:49 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:26:49 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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Jira for reference: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-911

Em 8/5/14, 11:28, Pete Muir escreveu:
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 15:27, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I've been tied up with EAP 6.3 GA issues and meetings all morning, but just read through this thread. I just want to make sure I understand.
>>
>> This new redirect page [1] will eventually provide a table listing the quickstarts along with the metadata such as  the technologies they use, the level of experience required, and whether they have a prerequisite?
> No. This will be an optional view on www.jboss.org/developer-materials. The redirect will go directly to this view.
>
>> On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I liked that :)
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a strong need.
>>>>>>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>>>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From sgilda at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 16:16:02 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:16:02 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
 weird...
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Thanks for taking care of this so quickly! Today is EAP 6.3 GA ship and, 
even though the table is not there as described, the redirect looks MUCH 
better than a 404! :-)

On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>
> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners 
>> code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so you 
>> don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I liked that :)
>>>
>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on 
>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if 
>>>> they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from 
>>>>>>>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to 
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view 
>>>>>>>>> - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will 
>>>>>>>>> start to work
>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I 
>>>>>>> don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a 
>>>>>>> strong need.
>>>>>> Google has also results for 
>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view 
>>>>>>>>> looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, 
>>>>>>>>> do it then
>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this 
>>>>>>>>> should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the 
>>>>>>>>> destination side.
>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products 
>>>>>> having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking 
>>>>>> about.
>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss 
>>>>>> Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like 
>>>>>> to make it explicit.
>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you 
>>>>> click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. 
>>>>>>>>>> The table ton
>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the 
>>>>>>>>>> technologies each
>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether 
>>>>>>>>>> there was a
>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to 
>>>>>>>>>> read the
>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file 
>>>>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to 
>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to 
>>>>>>>>>> generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ 
>>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the 
>>>>>>>>>> product version
>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>> quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug  5 17:15:33 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 18:15:33 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks
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I'm glad to hear that!

Thanks you too.

Em 8/5/14, 17:16, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Thanks for taking care of this so quickly! Today is EAP 6.3 GA ship 
> and, even though the table is not there as described, the redirect 
> looks MUCH better than a 404! :-)
>
> On 08/05/2014 09:44 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> openshift site up and running with redirect. I'll work on banner now.
>>
>> Em 8/5/14, 10:26, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> Ok. Take a look at the product download page for dismissible banners 
>>> code. You will need to store that they have dismissed it once, so 
>>> you don?t show it on each visit to the page.
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:20, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I liked that :)
>>>>
>>>> So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on 
>>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if 
>>>>> they come off a JDF URL.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides 
>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from 
>>>>>>>>>> site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view 
>>>>>>>>>> - note that the layout=list-view doesn?t work atm, but will 
>>>>>>>>>> start to work
>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>>>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I 
>>>>>>>> don?t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don?t see a 
>>>>>>>> strong need.
>>>>>>> Google has also results for 
>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>>>>>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 
>>>>>> 404.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Don?t update the read me until you see what the list-view 
>>>>>>>>>> looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an 
>>>>>>>>>> update, do it then
>>>>>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this 
>>>>>>>>>> should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the 
>>>>>>>>>> destination side.
>>>>>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>>>>>> What does this mean?
>>>>>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the 
>>>>>>> products having a history... It's this kind of history that I 
>>>>>>> were talking about.
>>>>>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss 
>>>>>>> Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like 
>>>>>>> to make it explicit.
>>>>>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you 
>>>>>> click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. 
>>>>>>>>>>> The table ton
>>>>>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the 
>>>>>>>>>>> technologies each
>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether 
>>>>>>>>>>> there was a
>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them 
>>>>>>>>>>> to read the
>>>>>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README 
>>>>>>>>>>> file to get
>>>>>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to 
>>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to 
>>>>>>>>>>> generate the HTML?
>>>>>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ 
>>>>>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the 
>>>>>>>>>>> product version
>>>>>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> README files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ? This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>


From benevides at redhat.com  Fri Aug 15 09:01:50 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:01:50 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Do we need to tag the quickstarts?
In-Reply-To: <53ED0849.9070306@redhat.com>
References: <53ECF2FE.7020106@redhat.com> <53ECFF68.2040908@redhat.com>
	<53ED0849.9070306@redhat.com>
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Ref to the branches, I also think that we should do a cleanup removing

- 6.2.x-develop
- 6.3.x-develop
- jdf-2.1.9.Final

branches (keeping the tags)

Btw,

There's also a kitchensink-angularjs and wildfly branches that were not 
updated since last year.


Anyone has any objections on removing theses branches ?

Em 8/14/14, 16:04, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Rafael, that sounds great to me.
>
> Paul, does this work for you?
>
> On 08/14/2014 02:26 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> I think we should tag the 6.3 quickstarts, then keep the same 6.3.x 
>> for EAP 6.3.1 and rename the 6.3.x-develop to 6.4.x-develop
>>
>> 6.3.x-develop -> rename to 6.4.x-develop
>> 6.3.x -> keep it to EAP 6.3.1
>>
>> That's what I think about it.
>>
>>
>> Em 8/14/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> Now that JBoss EAP 6.3 is GA, do we need to tag the quickstarts and 
>>> create new branches for EAP 6.3.1 and EAP 6.4? It's so seldom we do 
>>> this that I forget!
>>>
>>
>


From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Fri Aug 15 09:26:44 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:26:44 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Do we need to tag the quickstarts?
In-Reply-To: <53EE04BE.1080504@redhat.com>
References: <53ECF2FE.7020106@redhat.com> <53ECFF68.2040908@redhat.com>
	<53ED0849.9070306@redhat.com> <53EE04BE.1080504@redhat.com>
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Comments in line for this email and your first one.

On 15 Aug 2014, at 14:01, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> Ref to the branches, I also think that we should do a cleanup removing
> 
> - 6.2.x-develop
> - 6.3.x-develop

IMO: Correct, providing there are no micro releases of EAP 6.2 and EAP 6.3 planned.

> - jdf-2.1.9.Final
> 
> branches (keeping the tags)
> 
> Btw,
> 
> There's also a kitchensink-angularjs and wildfly branches that were not 
> updated since last year.
> 
> 
> Anyone has any objections on removing theses branches ?
> 
> Em 8/14/14, 16:04, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Rafael, that sounds great to me.
>> 
>> Paul, does this work for you?
>> 
>> On 08/14/2014 02:26 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> I think we should tag the 6.3 quickstarts, then keep the same 6.3.x 
>>> for EAP 6.3.1 and rename the 6.3.x-develop to 6.4.x-develop
>>> 
>>> 6.3.x-develop -> rename to 6.4.x-develop
>>> 6.3.x -> keep it to EAP 6.3.1

This looks right to me too. See: https://mojo.redhat.com/docs/DOC-928619

>>> 
>>> That's what I think about it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Em 8/14/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> Now that JBoss EAP 6.3 is GA, do we need to tag the quickstarts and 
>>>> create new branches for EAP 6.3.1 and EAP 6.4? It's so seldom we do 
>>>> this that I forget!
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug 15 09:32:03 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:32:03 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Do we need to tag the quickstarts?
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I made the following updates to 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts:

  * Created the 6.4.x-develop branch based on the current 6.3.x-develop
    branch and made it the default branch.
  * Removed the following branches:
      o 6.2.x-develop
      o 6.3.x-develop
      o jdf-2.1.9.Final
  * Tagged the 6.3.x branch with the 6.3.0.GA tag. Rafael suggested this
    should be done using dist/release.sh to update the versions, create
    the tag and remove template folder. We will check with Paul Gier
    when he gets back to do this property.


On 08/15/2014 09:01 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> Ref to the branches, I also think that we should do a cleanup removing
>
> - 6.2.x-develop
> - 6.3.x-develop
> - jdf-2.1.9.Final
>
> branches (keeping the tags)
>
> Btw,
>
> There's also a kitchensink-angularjs and wildfly branches that were 
> not updated since last year.
>
>
> Anyone has any objections on removing theses branches ?
>
> Em 8/14/14, 16:04, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Rafael, that sounds great to me.
>>
>> Paul, does this work for you?
>>
>> On 08/14/2014 02:26 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> I think we should tag the 6.3 quickstarts, then keep the same 6.3.x 
>>> for EAP 6.3.1 and rename the 6.3.x-develop to 6.4.x-develop
>>>
>>> 6.3.x-develop -> rename to 6.4.x-develop
>>> 6.3.x -> keep it to EAP 6.3.1
>>>
>>> That's what I think about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 8/14/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> Now that JBoss EAP 6.3 is GA, do we need to tag the quickstarts and 
>>>> create new branches for EAP 6.3.1 and EAP 6.4? It's so seldom we do 
>>>> this that I forget!
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Fri Aug 15 10:11:29 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 10:11:29 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Do we need to tag the quickstarts?
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On 08/15/2014 09:26 AM, Paul Robinson wrote:
> Comments in line for this email and your first one.
>
> On 15 Aug 2014, at 14:01, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com 
> <mailto:benevides at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>> Ref to the branches, I also think that we should do a cleanup removing
>>
>> - 6.2.x-develop
>> - 6.3.x-develop
>
> IMO: Correct, providing there are no micro releases of EAP 6.2 and EAP 
> 6.3 planned.
>
If there is a 6.3.1 product release, the quickstarts will be based on 
6he 6.3.x product branch, which we are keeping.
>> - jdf-2.1.9.Final
>>
>> branches (keeping the tags)
>>
>> Btw,
>>
>> There's also a kitchensink-angularjs and wildfly branches that were not
>> updated since last year.
>>
>>
>> Anyone has any objections on removing theses branches ?
>>
>> Em 8/14/14, 16:04, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> Rafael, that sounds great to me.
>>>
>>> Paul, does this work for you?
>>>
>>> On 08/14/2014 02:26 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> I think we should tag the 6.3 quickstarts, then keep the same 6.3.x
>>>> for EAP 6.3.1 and rename the 6.3.x-develop to 6.4.x-develop
>>>>
>>>> 6.3.x-develop -> rename to 6.4.x-develop
>>>> 6.3.x -> keep it to EAP 6.3.1
>
> This looks right to me too. See: https://mojo.redhat.com/docs/DOC-928619
>
Paul, I totally forgot about the JBoss Developer Materials Repository 
Management and Releases document. Thanks for the reminder and URL!
>>>>
>>>> That's what I think about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/14/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> Now that JBoss EAP 6.3 is GA, do we need to tag the quickstarts and
>>>>> create new branches for EAP 6.3.1 and EAP 6.4? It's so seldom we do
>>>>> this that I forget!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>
>
> Paul.
>
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From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Thu Aug 21 08:09:39 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 13:09:39 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] GitHub Usage
In-Reply-To: <9C070D65-F565-4EBF-959A-72722552B978@redhat.com>
References: <9C070D65-F565-4EBF-959A-72722552B978@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <763C5101-EE99-418C-A5EB-F6F50846D7D7@redhat.com>

All,

This isn't going to work, as only those with push access can set the labels :-(

I'll continue to use the labels for my own organisation, until we can come up with something that works for all contributors.

Paul.

On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:13, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> We've recently created some labels on GitHub PRs. The idea is to make it easier to see, at-a-glance what the PR is waiting upon. Although Github will allow multiple labels to be present at once, our workflow forbids it.
> 
> The workflow is quite simple:
> 
> On Hold
> This is for WiP PRs and things that can't be merged until some external factor has been addressed. For example, https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/336 requires a DCP outage, so we need to wait for an appropriate time. this typically replaces the "DO NOT MERGE THIS YET" text that people have been adding.
> 
> Ready for Review
> This label means that a reviewer should take a look. Mark your PRs as this when they are ready for review or when you have completed addressing the reviewer's comments. 
> 
> Address Comments
> This means that a review round is complete and there are comments that need addressing.
> 
> Ready to Merge:
> This indicates that a reviewer is happy for the PR to be merged. This step is skipped if the reviewer merges immediately.
> 
> Awaiting retest
> This just indicates that a retest has been triggered. Once the test completes, it would most likely be switched to "Ready for Review". I added this label for my own convenience, it's not necessarily something you have to use. 
> 
> Pete and I only set this up yesterday, so it's likely to evolve over time. Lets see how we get on with it.
> 
> Paul.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Robinson
> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
> 
> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
> 


Paul.

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From benevides at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 08:25:07 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:25:07 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
Message-ID: <53FB2B23.6090802@redhat.com>

Hi All,

We're about to start the update process of JBoss Developer Materials to 
Java EE 7. But before put the hands on it I talked with Pete and we 
decided that it's better to bring this $subject to discussion with 
everyone on this list.

Ticket Monster already started to be updated 
https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-754

Actually our jboss-eap-quickstarts have been updated to Java EE 7.0 on 
https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart. Anyway we still miss some Java EE 
7 specific features/use cases on these quickstarts.

It seems that Arun Gupta has a list of about 5 features/use 
cases/quickstarts that we want to show. The idea is to have these Java 
EE 7 specific quickstarts to be available at www.jboss.org

The main point that we should discuss are:

- What are those quickstarts/features?
- Where will we host those Java EE 7 quickstarts? 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts ?
- Paul Robinson,

Considering that the jboss-sandbox-quickstarts github structure, do you 
think that it could have any issues with it? Can we choose just specific 
quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org

Well,

This is just a starting point, so we can discuss about this update 
process until we have a detailed plan.

The Google docs with the plan is available at: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0uVG2rhDf1eSp0b4MhggdIxNa3cthnuWaj2OjBpxoY/edit


-- 

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JBoss Developer
M: +55-61-9269-6576

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From benevides at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 08:50:08 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:50:08 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
Message-ID: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>

Hi all,

On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and 
also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to 
the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the 
quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on 
quickstarts pom.xml

Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml 
file of the generated project.

The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every 
quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this 
approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the 
quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use 
settings.xml.

It will bring the following advantages:
- It will make ease to contributors and users
- Simplify the build.
- Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo 
since it will come from the Quickstarts
- We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
- We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.

As a roadmap for it:
- We need to document that at the 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
- We need to update the contributing guides
- We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us.

Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?

Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?

Thanks
-- 

*Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
JBoss Developer
M: +55-61-9269-6576

Red Hat

Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>

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From kpiwko at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 09:55:25 2014
From: kpiwko at redhat.com (Karel Piwko)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:57:25 +0002
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1408974925.12146.2@smtp.corp.redhat.com>

I recall this issue Fred reported in the past:

https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5663

It was fixed in Maven 3.2.3 and not present in 3.1.x. If we add 
<repository> element we need to make sure people are using right Maven 
version.

Karel

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Rafael Benevides 
<benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience 
> and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues 
> related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to 
> make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
> 
> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
> pom.xml file of the generated project.
> 
> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every 
> quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that 
> this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test 
> the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to 
> use settings.xml.
> 
> It will bring the following advantages: 
> - It will make ease to contributors and users 
> - Simplify the build. 
> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo 
> since it will come from the Quickstarts 
> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
> definition to explain that we don't recommend that. 
> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
> 
> As a roadmap for it:
> - We need to document that at the 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
> - We need to update the contributing guides 
> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for 
> us. 
> 
> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ? 
> 
> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> 
> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
> JBoss Developer
> M: +55-61-9269-6576
> 
> 
> 
> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community 
> collaboration. 
> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
> 
>   


From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 04:27:56 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:27:56 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1CC83484-040F-4F81-AC6D-0CF06B4C9159@redhat.com>

Rafael,

It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.

Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically? 

Paul.

On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
> 
> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
> 
> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
> 
> It will bring the following advantages: 
> - It will make ease to contributors and users 
> - Simplify the build. 
> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts 
> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that. 
> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
> 
> As a roadmap for it:
> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
> - We need to update the contributing guides 
> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us. 
> 
> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ? 
> 
> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> 
> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
> JBoss Developer
> M: +55-61-9269-6576
> 
> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
> 
> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. 
> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
> 
> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


Paul.

-- 
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JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)

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From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 05:26:17 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:26:17 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <54528CD2-09AF-4951-938A-B8F5FF165882@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
	<1CC83484-040F-4F81-AC6D-0CF06B4C9159@redhat.com>
	<54528CD2-09AF-4951-938A-B8F5FF165882@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <89D205BC-CBEB-4B20-9DBA-1FA39B70863D@redhat.com>


On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Rafael,
>> 
>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
> 
> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:

	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.


> 
>> 
>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically? 
> 
> I?m not so sure about this any more.
> 
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>> 
>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>> 
>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>> 
>>> It will bring the following advantages: 
>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users 
>>> - Simplify the build. 
>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts 
>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that. 
>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>> 
>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>> - We need to update the contributing guides 
>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us. 
>>> 
>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ? 
>>> 
>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>> JBoss Developer
>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>> 
>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. 
>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
>>> 
>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> 
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>> 
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 


Paul.

-- 
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JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)

JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
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From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 05:27:38 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:27:38 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <89D205BC-CBEB-4B20-9DBA-1FA39B70863D@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
	<1CC83484-040F-4F81-AC6D-0CF06B4C9159@redhat.com>
	<54528CD2-09AF-4951-938A-B8F5FF165882@redhat.com>
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On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Rafael,
>>> 
>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>> 
>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
> 
> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
> 
> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.

Not all platforms use vman afaik.

> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically? 
>> 
>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>> 
>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>> 
>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>> 
>>>> It will bring the following advantages: 
>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users 
>>>> - Simplify the build. 
>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts 
>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that. 
>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>> 
>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides 
>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us. 
>>>> 
>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ? 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>> 
>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. 
>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
>>>> 
>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Robinson
>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>> 
>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> 
> 
> 
> Paul.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Robinson
> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
> 
> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)



From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 05:18:47 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:18:47 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <1CC83484-040F-4F81-AC6D-0CF06B4C9159@redhat.com>
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On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> Rafael,
> 
> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.

We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...

> 
> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically? 

I?m not so sure about this any more.

> 
> Paul.
> 
> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>> 
>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>> 
>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>> 
>> It will bring the following advantages: 
>> - It will make ease to contributors and users 
>> - Simplify the build. 
>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts 
>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that. 
>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>> 
>> As a roadmap for it:
>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>> - We need to update the contributing guides 
>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us. 
>> 
>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ? 
>> 
>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> -- 
>> 
>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>> JBoss Developer
>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>> 
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>> 
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> 
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From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 05:46:01 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:46:01 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
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A few questions...

1) Is the plan to migrate all the EAP related quickstarts to using Java EE 7 artefacts, or just those that are being modified/created to showcase Java EE 7 features?
2) Why do you need to "choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org"? 
3) What's the link between https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart and https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts? In particular, what happens when we move to EAP 7. Will we copy across the WildFly quickstarts, or update the current JBoss Developer quickstarts to work with EAP 7 and Java EE 7?

Also, note that unsupported quickstarts don't have to go in the sandbox repo. We can mark entire repos as unsupported. This is what we are in the process of doing for the PicketLink repo. Therefore, don't feel restricted by this. the Java EE7 qs can go in whichever repo makes sense for them. 

Paul.

On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> We're about to start the update process of JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7. But before put the hands on it I talked with Pete and we decided that it's better to bring this $subject to discussion with everyone on this list.
> 
> Ticket Monster already started to be updated https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-754
> 
> Actually our jboss-eap-quickstarts have been updated to Java EE 7.0 on https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart. Anyway we still miss some Java EE 7 specific features/use cases on these quickstarts.
> 
> It seems that Arun Gupta has a list of about 5 features/use cases/quickstarts that we want to show. The idea is to have these Java EE 7 specific quickstarts to be available at www.jboss.org
> 
> The main point that we should discuss are:
> 
> - What are those quickstarts/features?
> - Where will we host those Java EE 7 quickstarts?  https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts ?
> - Paul Robinson, 
> 
> Considering that the jboss-sandbox-quickstarts github structure, do you think that it could have any issues with it? Can we choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org
> 
> Well,
> 
> This is just a starting point, so we can discuss about this update process until we have a detailed plan.
> 
> The Google docs with the plan is available at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0uVG2rhDf1eSp0b4MhggdIxNa3cthnuWaj2OjBpxoY/edit
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
> JBoss Developer
> M: +55-61-9269-6576
> 
> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
> 
> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. 
> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
> 
> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
> _______________________________________________
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From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 06:00:43 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:00:43 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
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On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:46, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> A few questions...
> 
> 1) Is the plan to migrate all the EAP related quickstarts to using Java EE 7 artefacts, or just those that are being modified/created to showcase Java EE 7 features?

IMO just those that are being created. We don?t need to update all quickstarts until EAP supports Java EE 7.

> 2) Why do you need to "choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org?? 

I don?t understand this either.

> 3) What's the link between https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart and https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts? In particular, what happens when we move to EAP 7. Will we copy across the WildFly quickstarts, or update the current JBoss Developer quickstarts to work with EAP 7 and Java EE 7?

WildFly Quickstarts are a fork of EAP quickstarts. We will need to merge the two forks at that point.

> 
> Also, note that unsupported quickstarts don't have to go in the sandbox repo. We can mark entire repos as unsupported. This is what we are in the process of doing for the PicketLink repo. Therefore, don't feel restricted by this. the Java EE7 qs can go in whichever repo makes sense for them. 

We can easily support individual quickstarts as being ?early access? (which is the new terminology), if that helps.

> 
> Paul.
> 
> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We're about to start the update process of JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7. But before put the hands on it I talked with Pete and we decided that it's better to bring this $subject to discussion with everyone on this list.
>> 
>> Ticket Monster already started to be updated https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-754
>> 
>> Actually our jboss-eap-quickstarts have been updated to Java EE 7.0 on https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart. Anyway we still miss some Java EE 7 specific features/use cases on these quickstarts.
>> 
>> It seems that Arun Gupta has a list of about 5 features/use cases/quickstarts that we want to show. The idea is to have these Java EE 7 specific quickstarts to be available at www.jboss.org

Arun, are you able to help us by suggesting what the 5 most important features of Java EE 7 are to show off to developers? This gives us a place to start.

>> 
>> The main point that we should discuss are:
>> 
>> - What are those quickstarts/features?
>> - Where will we host those Java EE 7 quickstarts?  https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts ?
>> - Paul Robinson, 
>> 
>> Considering that the jboss-sandbox-quickstarts github structure, do you think that it could have any issues with it? Can we choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org
>> 
>> Well,
>> 
>> This is just a starting point, so we can discuss about this update process until we have a detailed plan.
>> 
>> The Google docs with the plan is available at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0uVG2rhDf1eSp0b4MhggdIxNa3cthnuWaj2OjBpxoY/edit
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>> JBoss Developer
>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>> 
>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>> 
>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration. 
>> See how it works at www.redhat.com 
>> 
>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
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>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 
> 
> Paul.
> 
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> 
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From jcoleman at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 06:07:11 2014
From: jcoleman at redhat.com (Julian Coleman)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:07:11 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Hi,

> > 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
> > 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
> > 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
> > 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
> 
> Not all platforms use vman afaik.

True.  We won't use vman for B*MS/DV/FSW 6.1.x.  However, our new tooling
will remove the <repositories> section from the POM files that we process.
We do this because it is a requirement from Project Wolf.  If we want to
add this to the quickstarts' POM's, then I think that we'll need to either:

  co-ordinate with the Wolf team, and
  update the tooling to handle an exception for quickstarts (or use some
  other process to align the quickstarts to the correct BOM)

or:

  find a way of making developers use a settings.xml file

Thanks,

J

-- 
Red Hat
Newcastle upon Tyne

From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 07:09:20 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:09:20 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
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Em 8/26/14, 7:00, Pete Muir escreveu:
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:46, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> A few questions...
>>
>> 1) Is the plan to migrate all the EAP related quickstarts to using Java EE 7 artefacts, or just those that are being modified/created to showcase Java EE 7 features?
> IMO just those that are being created. We don?t need to update all quickstarts until EAP supports Java EE 7.
>
>> 2) Why do you need to "choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org??
> I don?t understand this either.
I asked that because 
http://www.github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts contains 
other quickstarts (BRMS 5.3, EJB-Security-*, Picketlink, 
AngularJS-Topcoat) that I think that won't need to be published to 
developer-materials. Do we really want to publish every quickstart from 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts/* ?
>
>> 3) What's the link between https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart and https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts? In particular, what happens when we move to EAP 7. Will we copy across the WildFly quickstarts, or update the current JBoss Developer quickstarts to work with EAP 7 and Java EE 7?
> WildFly Quickstarts are a fork of EAP quickstarts. We will need to merge the two forks at that point.
>
>> Also, note that unsupported quickstarts don't have to go in the sandbox repo. We can mark entire repos as unsupported. This is what we are in the process of doing for the PicketLink repo. Therefore, don't feel restricted by this. the Java EE7 qs can go in whichever repo makes sense for them.
> We can easily support individual quickstarts as being ?early access? (which is the new terminology), if that helps.
>
>> Paul.
>>
>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> We're about to start the update process of JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7. But before put the hands on it I talked with Pete and we decided that it's better to bring this $subject to discussion with everyone on this list.
>>>
>>> Ticket Monster already started to be updated https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-754
>>>
>>> Actually our jboss-eap-quickstarts have been updated to Java EE 7.0 on https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart. Anyway we still miss some Java EE 7 specific features/use cases on these quickstarts.
>>>
>>> It seems that Arun Gupta has a list of about 5 features/use cases/quickstarts that we want to show. The idea is to have these Java EE 7 specific quickstarts to be available at www.jboss.org
> Arun, are you able to help us by suggesting what the 5 most important features of Java EE 7 are to show off to developers? This gives us a place to start.
>
>>> The main point that we should discuss are:
>>>
>>> - What are those quickstarts/features?
>>> - Where will we host those Java EE 7 quickstarts?  https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts ?
>>> - Paul Robinson,
>>>
>>> Considering that the jboss-sandbox-quickstarts github structure, do you think that it could have any issues with it? Can we choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org
>>>
>>> Well,
>>>
>>> This is just a starting point, so we can discuss about this update process until we have a detailed plan.
>>>
>>> The Google docs with the plan is available at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0uVG2rhDf1eSp0b4MhggdIxNa3cthnuWaj2OjBpxoY/edit
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>> JBoss Developer
>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>
>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>
>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>
>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>
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>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 07:10:17 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:10:17 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
In-Reply-To: <53FC6AE0.5030802@redhat.com>
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On 26 Aug 2014, at 12:09, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> Em 8/26/14, 7:00, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:46, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> A few questions...
>>> 
>>> 1) Is the plan to migrate all the EAP related quickstarts to using Java EE 7 artefacts, or just those that are being modified/created to showcase Java EE 7 features?
>> IMO just those that are being created. We don?t need to update all quickstarts until EAP supports Java EE 7.
>> 
>>> 2) Why do you need to "choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org??
>> I don?t understand this either.
> I asked that because http://www.github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts contains other quickstarts (BRMS 5.3, EJB-Security-*, Picketlink, AngularJS-Topcoat) that I think that won't need to be published to developer-materials. Do we really want to publish every quickstart from https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts/* ?

Yes, we do already.

>> 
>>> 3) What's the link between https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart and https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts? In particular, what happens when we move to EAP 7. Will we copy across the WildFly quickstarts, or update the current JBoss Developer quickstarts to work with EAP 7 and Java EE 7?
>> WildFly Quickstarts are a fork of EAP quickstarts. We will need to merge the two forks at that point.
>> 
>>> Also, note that unsupported quickstarts don't have to go in the sandbox repo. We can mark entire repos as unsupported. This is what we are in the process of doing for the PicketLink repo. Therefore, don't feel restricted by this. the Java EE7 qs can go in whichever repo makes sense for them.
>> We can easily support individual quickstarts as being ?early access? (which is the new terminology), if that helps.
>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> We're about to start the update process of JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7. But before put the hands on it I talked with Pete and we decided that it's better to bring this $subject to discussion with everyone on this list.
>>>> 
>>>> Ticket Monster already started to be updated https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-754
>>>> 
>>>> Actually our jboss-eap-quickstarts have been updated to Java EE 7.0 on https://github.com/wildfly/quickstart. Anyway we still miss some Java EE 7 specific features/use cases on these quickstarts.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems that Arun Gupta has a list of about 5 features/use cases/quickstarts that we want to show. The idea is to have these Java EE 7 specific quickstarts to be available at www.jboss.org
>> Arun, are you able to help us by suggesting what the 5 most important features of Java EE 7 are to show off to developers? This gives us a place to start.
>> 
>>>> The main point that we should discuss are:
>>>> 
>>>> - What are those quickstarts/features?
>>>> - Where will we host those Java EE 7 quickstarts?  https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts ?
>>>> - Paul Robinson,
>>>> 
>>>> Considering that the jboss-sandbox-quickstarts github structure, do you think that it could have any issues with it? Can we choose just specific quickstarts to be present at www.jboss.org
>>>> 
>>>> Well,
>>>> 
>>>> This is just a starting point, so we can discuss about this update process until we have a detailed plan.
>>>> 
>>>> The Google docs with the plan is available at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n0uVG2rhDf1eSp0b4MhggdIxNa3cthnuWaj2OjBpxoY/edit
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>> 
>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>> 
>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Robinson
>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>> 
>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 



From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 07:15:09 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 08:15:09 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Update JBoss Developer Materials to Java EE 7
In-Reply-To: <2E325428-32E6-4CB3-9D2A-16E62DED6781@redhat.com>
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Ooops! I was using the Quickstart filter to look for them. So I realized 
the "Sandbox (unsupported)" filter.

Ok. So my question doesn't make sense. Please, ignore it. :)

Em 8/26/14, 8:10, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> I asked that becausehttp://www.github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts  contains other quickstarts (BRMS 5.3, EJB-Security-*, Picketlink, AngularJS-Topcoat) that I think that won't need to be published to developer-materials. Do we really want to publish every quickstart fromhttps://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts/*  ?
> Yes, we do already.
>


From manderse at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 07:31:43 2014
From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:31:43 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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On 26 Aug 2014, at 12:07, Julian Coleman wrote:

> Hi,
>
>>> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the 
>>> <repositories>
>>> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM 
>>> files for
>>> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, 
>>> adding
>>> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>>
>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>
> True.  We won't use vman for B*MS/DV/FSW 6.1.x.  However, our new 
> tooling
> will remove the <repositories> section from the POM files that we 
> process.
> We do this because it is a requirement from Project Wolf.  If we want 
> to
> add this to the quickstarts' POM's, then I think that we'll need to 
> either:
>
> co-ordinate with the Wolf team, and
> update the tooling to handle an exception for quickstarts (or use some
> other process to align the quickstarts to the correct BOM)

+1

>
> or:
>
> find a way of making developers use a settings.xml file

we tried doing that but since it requires they read the readme or look 
at the quickfixes warnings
eclipse gives you before trying it have not had the expected effect :)

/max
http://about.me/maxandersen

From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 08:13:13 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:13:13 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
Message-ID: <53FC79D9.3070006@redhat.com>

Hi All,

I was looking today at 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize 
that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the 
picketlink quickstarts on that repo.

Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts 
is now published to 
http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart

So my questions are:

- Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
- Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts

Thanks

-- 

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From max.andersen at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 09:07:08 2014
From: max.andersen at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:07:08 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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On 25 Aug 2014, at 14:50, Rafael Benevides wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience 
> and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues 
> related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to 
> make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>
> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml 
> file of the generated project.
>
> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every 
> quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that 
> this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test 
> the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use 
> settings.xml.
>
> It will bring the following advantages:
> - It will make ease to contributors and users
> - Simplify the build.
> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo 
> since it will come from the Quickstarts
> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>
> As a roadmap for it:
> - We need to document that at the 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
> - We need to update the contributing guides
> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for 
> us.
>
> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?

No, as long as we keep that comment about its bad practice and don't 
start moving it into shared parent pom's we should be fine :)


/max
http://about.me/maxandersen

From gdesmet at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 09:26:30 2014
From: gdesmet at redhat.com (Geoffrey De Smet)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:26:30 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <5EC9063E-978C-4146-AF9B-18B3BB66BEA3@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
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+1 We're doing the same in our examples, by adding a bootstrap repository:
https://github.com/droolsjbpm/optaplanner/blob/master/optaplanner-examples/pom.xml#L23

With kind regards,
Geoffrey De Smet
OptaPlanner lead

On 25-08-14 15:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2014, at 14:50, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience 
>> and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues 
>> related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to 
>> make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>
>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>
>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every 
>> quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that 
>> this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test 
>> the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to 
>> use settings.xml.
>>
>> It will bring the following advantages:
>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>> - Simplify the build.
>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo 
>> since it will come from the Quickstarts
>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>
>> As a roadmap for it:
>> - We need to document that at the 
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us.
>>
>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>
> No, as long as we keep that comment about its bad practice and don't 
> start moving it into shared parent pom's we should be fine :)
>
>
> /max
> http://about.me/maxandersen


From max.andersen at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 12:01:44 2014
From: max.andersen at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:01:44 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <53FB3986.2020700@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
	<5EC9063E-978C-4146-AF9B-18B3BB66BEA3@redhat.com>
	<53FB3986.2020700@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4A5AC1B7-DE0A-4A40-86DF-85EE6680E894@redhat.com>

On 25 Aug 2014, at 15:26, Geoffrey De Smet wrote:

> +1 We're doing the same in our examples, by adding a bootstrap 
> repository:
> https://github.com/droolsjbpm/optaplanner/blob/master/optaplanner-examples/pom.xml#L23

I assume this is the case, but just want to be sure that pom.xml is not 
used in examples shipped/documented for our products :)

We should never ever in our published product examples require jboss.org 
repositories - only maven.repository.redhat.com ones.

/max


>
> With kind regards,
> Geoffrey De Smet
> OptaPlanner lead
>
> On 25-08-14 15:07, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 14:50, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience 
>>> and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues 
>>> related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository 
>>> to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>
>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>
>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on 
>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying 
>>> that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users 
>>> can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's 
>>> recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>
>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>> - Simplify the build.
>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo 
>>> since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>
>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>> - We need to document that at the 
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for 
>>> us.
>>>
>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>
>> No, as long as we keep that comment about its bad practice and don't 
>> start moving it into shared parent pom's we should be fine :)
>>
>>
>> /max
>> http://about.me/maxandersen


/max
http://about.me/maxandersen


From max.andersen at redhat.com  Mon Aug 25 12:06:05 2014
From: max.andersen at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:06:05 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <1408974925.12146.2@smtp.corp.redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
	<1408974925.12146.2@smtp.corp.redhat.com>
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On 25 Aug 2014, at 15:55, Karel Piwko wrote:

> I recall this issue Fred reported in the past:
>
> https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5663
>
> It was fixed in Maven 3.2.3 and not present in 3.1.x. If we add 
> <repository> element we need to make sure people are using right Maven 
> version.

It was also not present in 3.2.0 nor 3.2.1 - in other words only problem 
in 3.2.2 so I do not think this is something to worry about too much 
besides documenting that mvn 3.2.2 has a bug.

/max

> Karel
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Rafael Benevides 
> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience 
>> and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues 
>> related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to 
>> make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>
>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>
>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every 
>> quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that 
>> this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test 
>> the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to 
>> use settings.xml.
>>
>> It will bring the following advantages: - It will make ease to 
>> contributors and users - Simplify the build. - Simplify the Archetype 
>> synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from 
>> the Quickstarts - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml 
>> repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that. - We 
>> can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>
>> As a roadmap for it:
>> - We need to document that at the 
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources - 
>> We need to update the contributing guides - We need to update QSTools 
>> to do this update on all quickstarts for us.
>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -- 
>>
>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>> JBoss Developer
>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>
>>
>>
>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community 
>> collaboration. See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>


/max
http://about.me/maxandersen

From max.andersen at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 06:11:06 2014
From: max.andersen at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:11:06 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
In-Reply-To: <4BDCA068-CA85-462B-877C-1D17783CE062@redhat.com>
References: <53FB3100.4020501@redhat.com>
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Message-ID: <950ED0AD-E336-4673-8E04-478A57E8D09A@redhat.com>

On 26 Aug 2014, at 11:27, Pete Muir wrote:

> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rafael,
>>>>
>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories 
>>>> in POMs for developer materials" thread on 
>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of 
>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would 
>>>> be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle 
>>>> problems with the approach. For example, productization are 
>>>> currently stripping off these repository definitions from 
>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>
>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>
>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them 
>> if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>
>> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the 
>> <repositories>
>> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files 
>> for
>> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, 
>> adding
>> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>
> Not all platforms use vman afaik.

But those that do should look into not having vman treat 
quickstarts/examples the same as the productized runtime pom's IMO - 
they aren't possible to treat the same in all situations.

If their issue is they want to control where maven get these from they 
can add it to their settings.xml proxy mappings for the repository id 
and map to their temporary test location and they can test wether the 
repository are correct.

something like:
  <mirrors>
     <mirror>
       <id>public</id>
       <mirrorOf>redhat-techpreview</mirrorOf>
       <url>file:///Users/max/testingrepo</url>
     </mirror>
   </mirrors>

/max

>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the 
>>>> developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM 
>>>> (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a 
>>>> plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect 
>>>> missing dependencies that would be available had the correct 
>>>> repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an 
>>>> option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>
>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user 
>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to 
>>>>> support issues related to the setup of 
>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts 
>>>>> work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on 
>>>>> quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on 
>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it 
>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so 
>>>>> users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's 
>>>>> recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the 
>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>> - We need to document that at the 
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts 
>>>>> for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>
>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community 
>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>
>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>
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>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>>>> 03798903
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>>>> (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
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>>>
>>
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>> 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson 
>> (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)


/max
http://about.me/maxandersen

From psilva at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 09:08:40 2014
From: psilva at redhat.com (Pedro Igor Silva)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
In-Reply-To: <53FC79D9.3070006@redhat.com>
References: <53FC79D9.3070006@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1297683629.11702778.1409058520245.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>

For us, this is our official repository:

https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts

I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox

Hi All,

I was looking today at 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize 
that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the 
picketlink quickstarts on that repo.

Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts 
is now published to 
http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart

So my questions are:

- Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
- Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts

Thanks

-- 

*Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
JBoss Developer
M: +55-61-9269-6576

Red Hat

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From pmuir at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 10:14:47 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:14:47 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
In-Reply-To: <1297683629.11702778.1409058520245.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
References: <53FC79D9.3070006@redhat.com>
	<1297683629.11702778.1409058520245.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <FF24CA4E-90B9-4E17-9A6C-360CEA4D2436@redhat.com>

+1 to removing the PL quickstarts from the sandbox repo. Rafael, can you do that?

On 26 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com> wrote:

> For us, this is our official repository:
> 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
> 
> I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
> To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
> Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I was looking today at 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize 
> that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the 
> picketlink quickstarts on that repo.
> 
> Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts 
> is now published to 
> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart
> 
> So my questions are:
> 
> - Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
> - Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only 
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> 
> *Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
> JBoss Developer
> M: +55-61-9269-6576
> 
> Red Hat
> 
> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
> See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>
> 
> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/3258288> Youtube 
> <https://www.youtube.com/redhatlatam>
> _______________________________________________
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> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper



From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 10:36:25 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:36:25 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
In-Reply-To: <FF24CA4E-90B9-4E17-9A6C-360CEA4D2436@redhat.com>
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Will do.

https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 Opened for reference so 
Paul (just added him to this thread) can track it.

Em 8/26/14, 11:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
> +1 to removing the PL quickstarts from the sandbox repo. Rafael, can you do that?
>
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> For us, this is our official repository:
>>
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>
>> I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
>> To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
>> Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I was looking today at
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize
>> that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the
>> picketlink quickstarts on that repo.
>>
>> Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>> is now published to
>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart
>>
>> So my questions are:
>>
>> - Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
>> - Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only
>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> *Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
>> JBoss Developer
>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>
>> Red Hat
>>
>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>> See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>
>>
>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/3258288> Youtube
>> <https://www.youtube.com/redhatlatam>
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 10:39:18 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:39:18 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
In-Reply-To: <53FC9B69.8060307@redhat.com>
References: <53FC79D9.3070006@redhat.com>
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Thanks Rafael.

On 26 Aug 2014, at 15:36, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> Will do.
> 
> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 Opened for reference so Paul (just added him to this thread) can track it.
> 
> Em 8/26/14, 11:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> +1 to removing the PL quickstarts from the sandbox repo. Rafael, can you do that?
>> 
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> For us, this is our official repository:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>> 
>>> I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
>>> To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
>>> Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I was looking today at
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize
>>> that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the
>>> picketlink quickstarts on that repo.
>>> 
>>> Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>> is now published to
>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart
>>> 
>>> So my questions are:
>>> 
>>> - Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
>>> - Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> *Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
>>> JBoss Developer
>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>> 
>>> Red Hat
>>> 
>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/3258288> Youtube
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redhatlatam>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> 


Paul.

-- 
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JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)

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From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 11:17:58 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:17:58 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
In-Reply-To: <6BB61117-FD78-4192-994D-0E0D8758551C@redhat.com>
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You're welcome, Paul!

I've opened the following PR 
https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/501 but it seems 
that it need also a DCP operation so the picketlink quickstarts can be 
fully removed from Sandbox

That's why I assigned https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 to you.

Em 8/26/14, 11:39, Paul Robinson escreveu:
> Thanks Rafael.
>
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 15:36, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com 
> <mailto:benevides at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
>> Will do.
>>
>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 Opened for reference so 
>> Paul (just added him to this thread) can track it.
>>
>> Em 8/26/14, 11:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> +1 to removing the PL quickstarts from the sandbox repo. Rafael, can 
>>> you do that?
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com 
>>> <mailto:psilva at redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For us, this is our official repository:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>> To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" 
>>>> <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane 
>>>> Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
>>>> Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking today at
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and 
>>>> realize
>>>> that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the
>>>> picketlink quickstarts on that repo.
>>>>
>>>> Actually 
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>> is now published to
>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart
>>>>
>>>> So my questions are:
>>>>
>>>> - Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
>>>> - Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only
>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> *Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>
>>>> Red Hat
>>>>
>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community 
>>>> collaboration.
>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>
>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/3258288> Youtube
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redhatlatam>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>
>
> Paul.
>
> -- 
> Paul Robinson
> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org <http://www.jboss.org>)
>
> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson 
> (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
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From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 11:25:16 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:25:16 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
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Thanks Rafael,

I'll coordinate with Lukas on this. Let me know if there other DCP changes that I've not mentioned on the PR.

Paul.

On 26 Aug 2014, at 16:17, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> You're welcome, Paul!
> 
> I've opened the following PR https://github.com/jboss-developer/www.jboss.org/pull/501 but it seems that it need also a DCP operation so the picketlink quickstarts can be fully removed from Sandbox
> 
> That's why I assigned https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 to you.
> 
> Em 8/26/14, 11:39, Paul Robinson escreveu:
>> Thanks Rafael.
>> 
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 15:36, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Will do.
>>> 
>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-958 Opened for reference so Paul (just added him to this thread) can track it.
>>> 
>>> Em 8/26/14, 11:14, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> +1 to removing the PL quickstarts from the sandbox repo. Rafael, can you do that?
>>>> 
>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 14:08, Pedro Igor Silva <psilva at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> For us, this is our official repository:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't remember about the sandbox one. For me you can discard it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Rafael Benevides" <benevides at redhat.com>
>>>>> To: jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org, "Pedro Igor" <psilva at redhat.com>, "Sande Gilda" <sgilda at redhat.com>, "Shane Bryzak" <sbryzak at redhat.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:13:13 AM
>>>>> Subject: Picketlink Quickstarts & Sandbox
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was looking today at
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-sandbox-quickstarts and realize
>>>>> that before the release of the new www.jboss.org site we've placed the
>>>>> picketlink quickstarts on that repo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>>> is now published to
>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!keyword=picketlink&formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart
>>>>> 
>>>>> So my questions are:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Is there any reason to keep picketlink quickstarts at Sandbox repo?
>>>>> - Shouldn't we remove picketlink quickstarts from Sandbox and keep only
>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer*
>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>> 
>>>>> Red Hat
>>>>> 
>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/company/3258288> Youtube
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/redhatlatam>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>> 
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>> 
> 


Paul.

-- 
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JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)

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From sgilda at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 13:33:26 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:26 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.

I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without 
running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we are 
trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to configure the 
settings.xml file with the content we provide?

I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might impact 
the quickstart testing and release process.

On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rafael,
>>>>
>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>
>> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
>> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
>> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
>> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>
>>
>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>
>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>
>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>
>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>
>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul Robinson
>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>
>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 16:44:17 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:44:17 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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The problem that we're trying to  solve is that users don't read the 
instructions :)

So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until 
they face a build problem.

Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>
> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we are
> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to configure the
> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>
> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might impact
> the quickstart testing and release process.
>
> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>
>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>
>>> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
>>> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
>>> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
>>> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>
>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>
>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Paul Robinson
>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>
>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 16:56:15 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:56:15 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)

I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for 
this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use 
the Maven command line or JDBS?

Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration 
requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding the 
Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a good 
practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as you 
said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the 
quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.


On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
> The problem that we're trying to  solve is that users don't read the
> instructions :)
>
> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
> they face a build problem.
>
> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>
>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we are
>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to configure the
>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>
>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might impact
>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>
>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization are currently stripping off these repository definitions from quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>
>>>> 	Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the <repositories>
>>>> 	from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM files for
>>>> 	the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  So, adding
>>>> 	this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>
>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin would detect missing dependencies that would be available had the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user experience and also because we have been constantly asked to support issues related to the setup of https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community collaboration.
>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>
>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
> _______________________________________________
> jbossdeveloper mailing list
> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper


From benevides at redhat.com  Tue Aug 26 17:27:46 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:27:46 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Em 8/26/14, 17:56, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)
ahahahah
>
> I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for 
> this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use 
> the Maven command line or JDBS?
I believe that it comes mostly by people using CLI since JBDS helps on this.

This $subject was reborn by a request from Arun Gupta. It seems that 
someone tried to use our Quickstarts and had issues because e forgot to 
RTFM :)
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration 
> requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding 
> the Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a 
> good practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as 
> you said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the 
> quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.
It's the kind of relax thing that I don't think we will regret because 
it has the advantages that I mentioned. Besides the "not being 
recommended" I don't see any potential issues for us.

I remember that you sent me  (more than a year ago) some URLs that 
mention the cons on having <repository /> on pom.xml file. Do you mind 
sharing it again ?

Thanks
>
>
> On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>> The problem that we're trying to  solve is that users don't read the
>> instructions :)
>>
>> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
>> they face a build problem.
>>
>> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>>
>>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we are
>>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to configure the
>>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>>
>>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might impact
>>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>>
>>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson 
>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding 
>>>>>>> repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on 
>>>>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of 
>>>>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it 
>>>>>>> would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few 
>>>>>>> subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization 
>>>>>>> are currently stripping off these repository definitions from 
>>>>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove 
>>>>> them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the 
>>>>> <repositories>
>>>>>     from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM 
>>>>> files for
>>>>>     the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.  
>>>>> So, adding
>>>>>     this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate 
>>>>>>> the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we 
>>>>>>> have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to 
>>>>>>> include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin 
>>>>>>> would detect missing dependencies that would be available had 
>>>>>>> the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There 
>>>>>>> might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides 
>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user 
>>>>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to 
>>>>>>>> support issues related to the setup of 
>>>>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the 
>>>>>>>> quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository /> 
>>>>>>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the 
>>>>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the 
>>>>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on 
>>>>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it 
>>>>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it 
>>>>>>>> so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and 
>>>>>>>> that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the 
>>>>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository 
>>>>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the 
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all 
>>>>>>>> quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community 
>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt 
>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>
>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 
>>>>> 03798903
>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt 
>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>> _______________________________________________
>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>


From sgilda at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 07:52:36 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:52:36 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Pete suggested this approach last fall. I will forward that email.

Rafael, separately I am also forwarding the email discussed the cons of 
adding the <repository/> to the POM files. :-)


On 08/27/2014 04:32 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
> Wonder if there is any maven plug in that can output a nice message if 
> a condition is not met.
>
> Regards,
> Darran Lofthouse.
>
>
> On 26/08/14 22:27, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>
>> Em 8/26/14, 17:56, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)
>> ahahahah
>>>
>>> I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for
>>> this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use
>>> the Maven command line or JDBS?
>> I believe that it comes mostly by people using CLI since JBDS helps 
>> on this.
>>
>> This $subject was reborn by a request from Arun Gupta. It seems that
>> someone tried to use our Quickstarts and had issues because e forgot to
>> RTFM :)
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration
>>> requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding
>>> the Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a
>>> good practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as
>>> you said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the
>>> quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.
>> It's the kind of relax thing that I don't think we will regret because
>> it has the advantages that I mentioned. Besides the "not being
>> recommended" I don't see any potential issues for us.
>>
>> I remember that you sent me  (more than a year ago) some URLs that
>> mention the cons on having <repository /> on pom.xml file. Do you mind
>> sharing it again ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> The problem that we're trying to solve is that users don't read the
>>>> instructions :)
>>>>
>>>> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
>>>> they face a build problem.
>>>>
>>>> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>>>>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we 
>>>>> are
>>>>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to 
>>>>> configure the
>>>>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might 
>>>>> impact
>>>>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding
>>>>>>>>> repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on
>>>>>>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of
>>>>>>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it
>>>>>>>>> would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few
>>>>>>>>> subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization
>>>>>>>>> are currently stripping off these repository definitions from
>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove
>>>>>>> them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the
>>>>>>> <repositories>
>>>>>>>      from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM
>>>>>>> files for
>>>>>>>      the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.
>>>>>>> So, adding
>>>>>>>      this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible 
>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate
>>>>>>>>> the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we
>>>>>>>>> have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to
>>>>>>>>> include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin
>>>>>>>>> would detect missing dependencies that would be available had
>>>>>>>>> the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There
>>>>>>>>> might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user
>>>>>>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to
>>>>>>>>>> support issues related to the setup of
>>>>>>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository />
>>>>>>>>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the
>>>>>>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the
>>>>>>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on
>>>>>>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it
>>>>>>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it
>>>>>>>>>> so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and
>>>>>>>>>> that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the
>>>>>>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository
>>>>>>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community
>>>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 07:52:44 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:52:44 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Fwd: Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
In-Reply-To: <5FAFFB03-D040-4C87-9B6C-6005BF31C9F0@redhat.com>
References: <5FAFFB03-D040-4C87-9B6C-6005BF31C9F0@redhat.com>
Message-ID: <53FDC68C.8060100@redhat.com>

This was the email discussing the cons....


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
Date: 	Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:50:57 +0200
From: 	Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com>
To: 	Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
CC: 	Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com>, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>, 
Paul Gier <pgier at redhat.com>, jboss-developer-usability-internal at redhat.com



> I have inherited some Maven configuration documentation and am trying to verify a statement that was made in a topic on how to configure the project POM file to use the JBoss EAP Maven Repository.
>
> It basically says:
> "Red Hat recommends configuring the Maven repository in your project's pom.xml file so the configuration applies regardless of where the project is built."
> This is as opposed to using the Maven settings.

This recommendation is broken standing on its own.

Read: http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/02/why-putting-repositories-in-your-poms-is-a-bad-idea/

We don't even do this for our own products and with good reasons.

I know some projects do still do this but it has to be done very carefully.

All the arguments is in the blog from Sonatype.

Thus in my opinion we should say something like:

"Red Hat recommends configuration the Maven repository in your settings.xml and only place the repositories in your pom.xml if you understand the consequence of doing so, see <linktosontaypeblog>"
"For a team the simplest way is to host the maven repository on a shared webserver or use a repository manager such as Nexus or Artifactory and use these settings in their ~/.m2/settings.xml"

> Here are my questions:
> 	? Is the really the preferred and recommended configuration? This would only work if the repository is stored on a shared server. If the repository is installed on the local file system, this wouldn't work.

Yes, exactly.

> 	? For distributed development, it seems like it limits what a developer can do to optimize the build process.

Yup.

plus if the customer is putting this into  a pom that is referred to by other projects he can actually "inject" this repository into other users/customers builds which expect their builds to use nothing but their hosted repository.

> What should we be recommending here? Maven settings or project POM? Or does it just depend? Should we be recommending anything?




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From sgilda at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 07:53:00 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:53:00 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Fwd: Re: [Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories
 in POMs for developer materials
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This was Pete's email.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Wolf] Revisting embedding repositories in POMs for 
developer materials
Date: 	Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:40:34 +0000
From: 	Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>
To: 	Alan Santos <asantos at redhat.com>
CC: 	jboss-developer-experience-list at redhat.com, Gert Vanthienen 
<gvanthie at redhat.com>, "Enterprise Maven Repo \(Project Wolf\)" 
<enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com>, Max at redhat.com, Max Rydahl Andersen 
<max.andersen at redhat.com>



Right. The issue is that people will often just not read instructions, miss a step, misunderstand or otherwise screw up. It?s always better, especially with the thing that we present as the place to start, that it just works. Put another way, how many people do you think will try out the quickstarts, having unzipped EAP (or another product), see that dependencies can?t be found, and just give up? Are we sure we can just shrug our shoulders and give up on this group?

One idea I have is that we could build a maven plugin, that sits in Maven central. This could be configured in a quickstart, example etc. and check to see if maven.repository.redhat.com is defined. If it isn?t it could tell the user they need to configure it, and offer (interactively) to add it for them. If you?ve used JBDS, this should be familiar, as it is what JBDS does :-) This would bring that same experience to the quickstart when used from plain Maven, or in another IDE.

This plugin could either be generic (you need to configure in the quickstart/example that it needs to fail if it?s missing the redhat repo), or it could be hardcoded to maven.repository.redhat.com, or it could be a combo of the both - a generic version that we repackage to avoid the configuration in pom.xml

This would allow us to continue showing the best practice, but help users understand why it doesn?t work ootb.

WDYT?

On 25 Nov 2013, at 13:47, Alan Santos <asantos at redhat.com> wrote:

>
> On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Karel Piwko <kpiwko at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> The original pain was about zip repositories, which would have different
>> location on every machine. Now, if we want to point user to
>> maven.repository.redhat.com in our quickstarts/demos, why don't we simply ship
>> settings.xml as well?
>>
>
>
> https://access.redhat.com/jbossnetwork/restricted/softwareDetail.html?softwareId=25563&product=soaplatform&version=6.0.0+Beta&downloadType=distributions
>
> We do.
>
> afaict most users want/expect to use the hosted repo.  The ones who are interested in a big .zip are typically interested because they *cant* use the hosted repo.   The maven .zips
>
> To Catherines original email - for GA the FSW installer will offer to update a users settings.xml to point at the hosted repository.   Does JBDS not honor settings.xml? I don?t recall having to set anything explicitly in the editor once maven proper was correctly configured.
>
>
>
>
>
>> Karel
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:59:18 +0100
>> Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If we do this we should:
>>>
>>> a) use the exact same id/url for referenced repositories (this ensures
>>> mirror settings in settings.xml would just need to be setup once) b) we
>>> should add comments in the pom.xml saying it is recommended for real projects
>>> (i.e. not examples) to remove the repository url from the pom.xml (my
>>> comments below goes in more detail) c) check if i'm right about #a and that
>>> local pom.xml repositories doesn't simply override settings.xml repository
>>> definitions making it even harder to use ;/ Note, users trying the archetypes
>>> need to add the reference to settings.xml anyway.
>>>
>>> btw. if the repository is *not* defined in settings.xml tools can't check if
>>> things are setup correctly...thats why a and c are important to get
>>> tested/verified.
>>>
>>> /max
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 01:51:29PM -0500, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>> When I took over the Maven documentation for EAP 6.0 Development
>>>> Guide, I remember this came up. The original writer had written:
>>>>
>>>> "Red Hat recommends configuring the Maven repository in your project's
>>>> pom.xml file so the configuration applies regardless of where the project
>>>> is built." This is as opposed to using the Maven settings."
>>>>
>>>> Max responded:
>>>>
>>>> This recommendation is broken standing on its own.
>>>>
>>>> Read:http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/02/why-putting-repositories-in-your-poms-is-a-bad-idea/
>>>>
>>>> We don't even do this for our own products and with good reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I know some projects do still do this but it has to be done very
>>>> carefully.
>>>>
>>>> All the arguments is in the blog from Sonatype.
>>>>
>>>> Thus in my opinion we should say something like:
>>>>
>>>> "Red Hat recommends configuration the Maven repository in your
>>>> settings.xml and only place the repositories in your pom.xml if you
>>>> understand the consequence of doing so, see <linktosontaypeblog>" "For a
>>>> team the simplest way is to host the maven repository on a shared webserver
>>>> or use a repository manager such as Nexus or Artifactory and use these
>>>> settings in their ~/.m2/settings.xml"
>>>>
>>>> These were additional comments by Max:
>>>>
>>>> * It limits what a developer can do to optimize the build process .
>>>> * If the customer is putting this into a pom that is referred to by
>>>> other projects he can actually "inject" this repository into other
>>>> users/customers builds which expect their builds to use nothing but
>>>> their hosted repository.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can forward the email if you like.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2013 12:07 PM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>> With JBDS it?s not too bad, as it fixes your settings.xml for you. I agree
>>>>> with Max here, there is no way to magically do the fix.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way I?m aware off, to make this transparent, is to embed the
>>>>> repository definition into the POM. However this is generally regarded as
>>>>> an anti-pattern in Maven...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Nov 2013, at 16:57, Catherine Robson <crobson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for sending this Pete, this was on my list of things to follow up
>>>>>> on after seeing the FSW experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to bundle these dependencies in with the tooling the
>>>>>> users download, and would this solve the problem for all products?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The experience now:
>>>>>> - download JBDS
>>>>>> - get specific tooling for product
>>>>>> - go fix maven w/ a new settings.xml file
>>>>>> - use quickstarts and projects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would like to see it back to:
>>>>>> - download JBDS
>>>>>> - get specific tooling for product (has maven stuff build into it to 'just
>>>>>> work'?)
>>>>>> - use quickstarts and examples
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to point out if I'm missing something.  Maven is still a crazy
>>>>>> black box to me - so I definitely might not understand all the
>>>>>> implications!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Catherine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we move our resources to target product, where the dependencies of the
>>>>>>> projects are not in Maven Central (nor can be, for legal reasons), we hit
>>>>>>> a usability problem if we require users to set up their settings.xml
>>>>>>> correctly first. This is not a good ?getting started? experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, I would like to reopen the question of whether we should
>>>>>>> consider putting maven.repository.redhat.com into our quickstart, example
>>>>>>> and demo POMs as a standard practice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also like to see if any clever people have other ideas about how
>>>>>>> to address this as well :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From darran.lofthouse at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 04:32:48 2014
From: darran.lofthouse at redhat.com (Darran Lofthouse)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:32:48 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Wonder if there is any maven plug in that can output a nice message if a 
condition is not met.

Regards,
Darran Lofthouse.


On 26/08/14 22:27, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
> Em 8/26/14, 17:56, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)
> ahahahah
>>
>> I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for
>> this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use
>> the Maven command line or JDBS?
> I believe that it comes mostly by people using CLI since JBDS helps on this.
>
> This $subject was reborn by a request from Arun Gupta. It seems that
> someone tried to use our Quickstarts and had issues because e forgot to
> RTFM :)
>>
>> Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration
>> requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding
>> the Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a
>> good practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as
>> you said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the
>> quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.
> It's the kind of relax thing that I don't think we will regret because
> it has the advantages that I mentioned. Besides the "not being
> recommended" I don't see any potential issues for us.
>
> I remember that you sent me  (more than a year ago) some URLs that
> mention the cons on having <repository /> on pom.xml file. Do you mind
> sharing it again ?
>
> Thanks
>>
>>
>> On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> The problem that we're trying to  solve is that users don't read the
>>> instructions :)
>>>
>>> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
>>> they face a build problem.
>>>
>>> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>>>
>>>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>>>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we are
>>>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to configure the
>>>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>>>
>>>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might impact
>>>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>>>
>>>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding
>>>>>>>> repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on
>>>>>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of
>>>>>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it
>>>>>>>> would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few
>>>>>>>> subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization
>>>>>>>> are currently stripping off these repository definitions from
>>>>>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove
>>>>>> them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the
>>>>>> <repositories>
>>>>>>      from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM
>>>>>> files for
>>>>>>      the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.
>>>>>> So, adding
>>>>>>      this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible option.
>>>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate
>>>>>>>> the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we
>>>>>>>> have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to
>>>>>>>> include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin
>>>>>>>> would detect missing dependencies that would be available had
>>>>>>>> the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There
>>>>>>>> might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user
>>>>>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to
>>>>>>>>> support issues related to the setup of
>>>>>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the
>>>>>>>>> quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository />
>>>>>>>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the
>>>>>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the
>>>>>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on
>>>>>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it
>>>>>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it
>>>>>>>>> so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and
>>>>>>>>> that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the
>>>>>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository
>>>>>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all
>>>>>>>>> quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community
>>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
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(US), Michael O'Neill(Ireland)

From paul.robinson at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 08:29:51 2014
From: paul.robinson at redhat.com (Paul Robinson)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:29:51 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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Pete,

You mentioned this week that you no longer think the maven plugin was a good idea. What's your thinking now?

On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:52, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:

> Pete suggested this approach last fall. I will forward that email.
> 
> Rafael, separately I am also forwarding the email discussed the cons of 
> adding the <repository/> to the POM files. :-)
> 
> 
> On 08/27/2014 04:32 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
>> Wonder if there is any maven plug in that can output a nice message if 
>> a condition is not met.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Darran Lofthouse.
>> 
>> 
>> On 26/08/14 22:27, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>> 
>>> Em 8/26/14, 17:56, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>> So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)
>>> ahahahah
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for
>>>> this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use
>>>> the Maven command line or JDBS?
>>> I believe that it comes mostly by people using CLI since JBDS helps 
>>> on this.
>>> 
>>> This $subject was reborn by a request from Arun Gupta. It seems that
>>> someone tried to use our Quickstarts and had issues because e forgot to
>>> RTFM :)
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration
>>>> requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding
>>>> the Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a
>>>> good practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as
>>>> you said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the
>>>> quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.
>>> It's the kind of relax thing that I don't think we will regret because
>>> it has the advantages that I mentioned. Besides the "not being
>>> recommended" I don't see any potential issues for us.
>>> 
>>> I remember that you sent me  (more than a year ago) some URLs that
>>> mention the cons on having <repository /> on pom.xml file. Do you mind
>>> sharing it again ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>> The problem that we're trying to solve is that users don't read the
>>>>> instructions :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
>>>>> they face a build problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>>>>>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to 
>>>>>> configure the
>>>>>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might 
>>>>>> impact
>>>>>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding
>>>>>>>>>> repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on
>>>>>>>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of
>>>>>>>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it
>>>>>>>>>> would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few
>>>>>>>>>> subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization
>>>>>>>>>> are currently stripping off these repository definitions from
>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove
>>>>>>>> them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>     Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the
>>>>>>>> <repositories>
>>>>>>>>     from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM
>>>>>>>> files for
>>>>>>>>     the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.
>>>>>>>> So, adding
>>>>>>>>     this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible 
>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate
>>>>>>>>>> the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we
>>>>>>>>>> have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to
>>>>>>>>>> include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin
>>>>>>>>>> would detect missing dependencies that would be available had
>>>>>>>>>> the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There
>>>>>>>>>> might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user
>>>>>>>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to
>>>>>>>>>>> support issues related to the setup of
>>>>>>>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the
>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository />
>>>>>>>>>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the
>>>>>>>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on
>>>>>>>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it
>>>>>>>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it
>>>>>>>>>>> so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and
>>>>>>>>>>> that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the
>>>>>>>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository
>>>>>>>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all
>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community
>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>> 
>>> 
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From benevides at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 09:37:52 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:37:52 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Fwd: Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
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After reading it I have some more reasons to think that we should do it.

The blog isn't totally against. It says: "The short answer is: settings. 
The long answer is: it depends."

The main reason that they identify is that " The entries you have 
defined will be burned forever into your released POMs. This means that, 
should the URLs change down the road, anyone consuming your POMs will 
face these broken URLs and have to track down the new ones manually."

For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we 
already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts 
are not available through the Maven Central.

The blog itself also says: " If you are exposing your source and want to 
make it easy for others to build, then consider adding a repository 
entry to your POM, but don?t pick a URL lightly, think long-term, and 
use a URL that will always be under your control. If your URL has to 
change down the road, make sure that you will always be able to track 
404s and write the appropriate mod_rewrite rules to ensure that future 
builds will be able to find the appropriate artifacts."

  Maybe I can be trying to convince myself, but what we're trying to 
achieve is "exposing your our source and want to make it easy for others 
to build"

Em 8/27/14, 8:52, Sande Gilda escreveu:
> This was the email discussing the cons....
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
> Date: 	Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:50:57 +0200
> From: 	Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com>
> To: 	Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
> CC: 	Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com>, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>, 
> Paul Gier <pgier at redhat.com>, 
> jboss-developer-usability-internal at redhat.com
>
>
>
> > I have inherited some Maven configuration documentation and am trying to verify a statement that was made in a topic on how to configure the project POM file to use the JBoss EAP Maven Repository.
> >
> > It basically says:
> > "Red Hat recommends configuring the Maven repository in your project's pom.xml file so the configuration applies regardless of where the project is built."
> > This is as opposed to using the Maven settings.
>
> This recommendation is broken standing on its own.
>
> Read:http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/02/why-putting-repositories-in-your-poms-is-a-bad-idea/
>
> We don't even do this for our own products and with good reasons.
>
> I know some projects do still do this but it has to be done very carefully.
>
> All the arguments is in the blog from Sonatype.
>
> Thus in my opinion we should say something like:
>
> "Red Hat recommends configuration the Maven repository in your settings.xml and only place the repositories in your pom.xml if you understand the consequence of doing so, see <linktosontaypeblog>"
> "For a team the simplest way is to host the maven repository on a shared webserver or use a repository manager such as Nexus or Artifactory and use these settings in their ~/.m2/settings.xml"
>
> > Here are my questions:
> > 	? Is the really the preferred and recommended configuration? This would only work if the repository is stored on a shared server. If the repository is installed on the local file system, this wouldn't work.
>
> Yes, exactly.
>
> > 	? For distributed development, it seems like it limits what a developer can do to optimize the build process.
>
> Yup.
>
> plus if the customer is putting this into  a pom that is referred to by other projects he can actually "inject" this repository into other users/customers builds which expect their builds to use nothing but their hosted repository.
>
> > What should we be recommending here? Maven settings or project POM? Or does it just depend? Should we be recommending anything?
>
>
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From jcoleman at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 09:53:31 2014
From: jcoleman at redhat.com (Julian Coleman)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:53:31 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Fwd: Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
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Hi,

> For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we
> already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts are
> not available through the Maven Central.

Is this the same as not changing our maven repository URL to remove the
"techpreview" in the path?  Or the same way that we're stuck with not being
able to remove the old JDF site that is referenced in the EAP quickstarts?

Thanks,

J

-- 
Red Hat
Newcastle upon Tyne

From benevides at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 09:55:10 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:55:10 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Fwd: Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
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Exactly the same :)

Em 8/27/14, 10:53, Julian Coleman escreveu:
> Hi,
>
>> For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we
>> already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts are
>> not available through the Maven Central.
> Is this the same as not changing our maven repository URL to remove the
> "techpreview" in the path?  Or the same way that we're stuck with not being
> able to remove the old JDF site that is referenced in the EAP quickstarts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J
>


From pmuir at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 11:18:52 2014
From: pmuir at redhat.com (Pete Muir)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:18:52 +0100
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] <repository /> on quickstarts pom.xml
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I think it is simpler to put the repo in the POM. We have to explain either approach to our users, so we should go with the simpler to explain and understand.

On 27 Aug 2014, at 13:29, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:

> Pete,
> 
> You mentioned this week that you no longer think the maven plugin was a good idea. What's your thinking now?
> 
> On 27 Aug 2014, at 12:52, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Pete suggested this approach last fall. I will forward that email.
>> 
>> Rafael, separately I am also forwarding the email discussed the cons of 
>> adding the <repository/> to the POM files. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/27/2014 04:32 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
>>> Wonder if there is any maven plug in that can output a nice message if 
>>> a condition is not met.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Darran Lofthouse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 26/08/14 22:27, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Em 8/26/14, 17:56, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> So they, like me, don't RTFM? :-)
>>>> ahahahah
>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't realize it was an issue. Who is fielding the complaints for
>>>>> this? I haven't been aware of any. And is it primarily people who use
>>>>> the Maven command line or JDBS?
>>>> I believe that it comes mostly by people using CLI since JBDS helps 
>>>> on this.
>>>> 
>>>> This $subject was reborn by a request from Arun Gupta. It seems that
>>>> someone tried to use our Quickstarts and had issues because e forgot to
>>>> RTFM :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wouldn't it be easier to try to make the Maven setting configuration
>>>>> requirements more prominent? I really don't like the idea of adding
>>>>> the Maven repository to the POM files and then telling them it's not a
>>>>> good practice. If they see something, they will repeat it because, as
>>>>> you said, they don't read the instructions. The whole purpose of the
>>>>> quickstarts is to show how to code using best practices.
>>>> It's the kind of relax thing that I don't think we will regret because
>>>> it has the advantages that I mentioned. Besides the "not being
>>>> recommended" I don't see any potential issues for us.
>>>> 
>>>> I remember that you sent me  (more than a year ago) some URLs that
>>>> mention the cons on having <repository /> on pom.xml file. Do you mind
>>>> sharing it again ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 08/26/2014 04:44 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> The problem that we're trying to solve is that users don't read the
>>>>>> instructions :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, they don't know that they have to configure the settings.xml until
>>>>>> they face a build problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Em 8/26/14, 14:33, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> Sorry, I'm just back from PTO and catching up on this thread.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have run the quickstarts using both command line and JDBS without
>>>>>>> running into any problems, so I'm not really clear what problem we 
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> trying to solve. Are there issues with asking the user to 
>>>>>>> configure the
>>>>>>> settings.xml file with the content we provide?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm adding Paul and Nikoleta to the thread to see how this might 
>>>>>>> impact
>>>>>>> the quickstart testing and release process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 08/26/2014 05:27 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:26, Paul Robinson <paul.robinson at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 10:18, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 26 Aug 2014, at 09:27, Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>> <paul.robinson at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It'd be worth reading the "[Wolf] Revisting embedding
>>>>>>>>>>> repositories in POMs for developer materials" thread on
>>>>>>>>>>> enterprise-maven-list at redhat.com. There was quite a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion about doing this. The general opinion was that it
>>>>>>>>>>> would be a huge win for usability, but there are quite a few
>>>>>>>>>>> subtle problems with the approach. For example, productization
>>>>>>>>>>> are currently stripping off these repository definitions from
>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts, so any solution is going to need to work for them.
>>>>>>>>>> We don?t currently put any repo definitions in quickstarts...
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I should have been clearer. Productization would remove
>>>>>>>>> them if they exist. Quote from Julian Coleman:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     Right.  Note, also, that the vman tool will strip out the
>>>>>>>>> <repositories>
>>>>>>>>>     from the POM files that it processes.  This means that all POM
>>>>>>>>> files for
>>>>>>>>>     the IP builds (FSW/DV/BPMS) will not contain repositories.
>>>>>>>>> So, adding
>>>>>>>>>     this information to settings.xml seems the only sensible 
>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>> Not all platforms use vman afaik.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Pete came up with an alternative approach that helps to educate
>>>>>>>>>>> the developer about the configuration, in a better way then we
>>>>>>>>>>> have ATM (expecting them to read the docs). This approach was to
>>>>>>>>>>> include a plugin (that lives in maven central). This plugin
>>>>>>>>>>> would detect missing dependencies that would be available had
>>>>>>>>>>> the correct repository been defined in the settings.xml. There
>>>>>>>>>>> might also be an option to fix the configuration automatically?
>>>>>>>>>> I?m not so sure about this any more.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2014, at 13:50, Rafael Benevides
>>>>>>>>>>> <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On a look for a continuous improvement on developer user
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience and also because we have been constantly asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>> support issues related to the setup of
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://access.redhat.com/maven-repository to make the
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts work, we want to include the <repository />
>>>>>>>>>>>> definition on quickstarts pom.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually the Archetypes already have the <repository /> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> pom.xml file of the generated project.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea here is to have the <repository /> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://maven.repository.redhat.com/techpreview/all/ defined on
>>>>>>>>>>>> every quickstarts's pom.xml file with a comment on top of it
>>>>>>>>>>>> saying that this approach is not recommended but we included it
>>>>>>>>>>>> so users can test the quickstarts without further setup and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it's recommended to use settings.xml.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It will bring the following advantages:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - It will make ease to contributors and users
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the build.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Simplify the Archetype synch process / No need to inject the
>>>>>>>>>>>> repo since it will come from the Quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>> - We can add a pre-defined comment above the pom.xml repository
>>>>>>>>>>>> definition to explain that we don't recommend that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> - We can also add this "comment" to QSTools to check/fix it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> As a roadmap for it:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to document that at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update the contributing guides
>>>>>>>>>>>> - We need to update QSTools to do this update on all
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Max, Is there any restrictions on JBDS side ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else have any objections/comments on this $subject ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael Benevides | Senior Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>> M: +55-61-9269-6576
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <{a8aabf3a-4467-4e37-9bc5-48b1d7b494a2}_LATAM_RedHat.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better technology. Faster innovation. Powered by community
>>>>>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>>>>>> See how it works at www.redhat.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <linkedin.png> <youtube.png>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>>>> Paul.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Paul Robinson
>>>>>>>>> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
>>>>>>>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No.
>>>>>>>>> 03798903
>>>>>>>>> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt
>>>>>>>>> Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
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>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper mailing list
>>>>>> jbossdeveloper at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbossdeveloper
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> Paul.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Robinson
> JBoss Developer Team Lead (www.jboss.org)
> 
> JBoss, a Division of Red Hat
> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
> Directors:Michael Cunningham (US), Charles Peters (US), Matt Parson (US), Paul Hickey (Ireland)
> 



From manderse at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 11:24:28 2014
From: manderse at redhat.com (Max Rydahl Andersen)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:24:28 +0200
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Maven Configuration - preferred method
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On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:37, Rafael Benevides wrote:

> After reading it I have some more reasons to think that we should do 
> it.
>
> The blog isn't totally against. It says: "The short answer is: 
> settings. The long answer is: it depends."

Since I was the one being referenced let me summarize too:

It is just bad period for any widely publically shared pom to add 
additional repositories since
it will change any downstream projects using it.

That is why we say it should not be in any of the product runtime POM, 
BOM's etc.

For examples and quickstarts there is the crucial difference that these 
pom's are *not* intended to be shared by other projects
thus it is less of an issue and we in that thread and others weighted 
that the out-of-box usability was greater than
the proper best practice since these pom's are *not* to be used/shared 
by other projects.

> The main reason that they identify is that " The entries you have 
> defined will be burned forever into your released POMs. This means 
> that, should the URLs change down the road, anyone consuming your POMs 
> will face these broken URLs and have to track down the new ones 
> manually."

Right now we are looking at the repository url changing multiple times 
(/earlyaccess/all, /techpreview/all, /all) for examples so things are 
changing (unfortunately)

> For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we 
> already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts 
> are not available through the Maven Central.

don't know where you get 5 years from - they need to be much longer.

> The blog itself also says: " If you are exposing your source and want 
> to make it easy for others to build, then consider adding a repository 
> entry to your POM, but don?t pick a URL lightly, think long-term, 
> and use a URL that will always be under your control. If your URL has 
> to change down the road, make sure that you will always be able to 
> track 404s and write the appropriate mod_rewrite rules to ensure that 
> future builds will be able to find the appropriate artifacts."
>
> Maybe I can be trying to convince myself, but what we're trying to 
> achieve is "exposing your our source and want to make it easy for 
> others to build"

Look under the "Open Source Projects" - those are the concerns we are 
under. The article is talking more about it being more okey for your 
inhouse stuff.


Anyway - I believe for the released runtime pom's we cnanot add the 
repository urls but for the quickstart examples it is okey because of 
the usability aspect.

/max

> Em 8/27/14, 8:52, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> This was the email discussing the cons....
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
>> Date: 	Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:50:57 +0200
>> From: 	Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com>
>> To: 	Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>> CC: 	Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com>, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com>, 
>> Paul Gier <pgier at redhat.com>, 
>> jboss-developer-usability-internal at redhat.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > I have inherited some Maven configuration documentation and am 
>> trying to verify a statement that was made in a topic on how to 
>> configure the project POM file to use the JBoss EAP Maven Repository.
>> >
>> > It basically says:
>> > "Red Hat recommends configuring the Maven repository in your 
>> project's pom.xml file so the configuration applies regardless of 
>> where the project is built."
>> > This is as opposed to using the Maven settings.
>>
>> This recommendation is broken standing on its own.
>>
>> Read:http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/02/why-putting-repositories-in-your-poms-is-a-bad-idea/
>>
>> We don't even do this for our own products and with good reasons.
>>
>> I know some projects do still do this but it has to be done very 
>> carefully.
>>
>> All the arguments is in the blog from Sonatype.
>>
>> Thus in my opinion we should say something like:
>>
>> "Red Hat recommends configuration the Maven repository in your 
>> settings.xml and only place the repositories in your pom.xml if you 
>> understand the consequence of doing so, see <linktosontaypeblog>"
>> "For a team the simplest way is to host the maven repository on a 
>> shared webserver or use a repository manager such as Nexus or 
>> Artifactory and use these settings in their ~/.m2/settings.xml"
>>
>> > Here are my questions:
>> > 	? Is the really the preferred and recommended configuration? 
>> This would only work if the repository is stored on a shared server. 
>> If the repository is installed on the local file system, this 
>> wouldn't work.
>>
>> Yes, exactly.
>>
>> > 	? For distributed development, it seems like it limits what a 
>> developer can do to optimize the build process.
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>> plus if the customer is putting this into  a pom that is referred to 
>> by other projects he can actually "inject" this repository into other 
>> users/customers builds which expect their builds to use nothing but 
>> their hosted repository.
>>
>> > What should we be recommending here? Maven settings or project POM? 
>> Or does it just depend? Should we be recommending anything?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From sgilda at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 12:26:43 2014
From: sgilda at redhat.com (Sande Gilda)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:26:43 -0400
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Maven Configuration - preferred method
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It would definitely be easier if we don't remove the embedded 
repositories from the POM files in the shipping quickstarts.

Again, I am copying Paul and Nikoleta so they are in the loop.

On 08/27/2014 11:24 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2014, at 15:37, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>
>> After reading it I have some more reasons to think that we should do it.
>>
>> The blog isn't totally against. It says: "The short answer is: 
>> settings. The long answer is: it depends."
>
> Since I was the one being referenced let me summarize too:
>
> It is just bad period for any widely publically shared pom to add 
> additional repositories since
> it will change any downstream projects using it.
>
> That is why we say it should not be in any of the product runtime POM, 
> BOM's etc.
>
> For examples and quickstarts there is the crucial difference that 
> these pom's are *not* intended to be shared by other projects
> thus it is less of an issue and we in that thread and others weighted 
> that the out-of-box usability was greater than
> the proper best practice since these pom's are *not* to be used/shared 
> by other projects.
>
>> The main reason that they identify is that " The entries you have 
>> defined will be burned forever into your released POMs. This means 
>> that, should the URLs change down the road, anyone consuming your 
>> POMs will face these broken URLs and have to track down the new ones 
>> manually."
>
> Right now we are looking at the repository url changing multiple times 
> (/earlyaccess/all, /techpreview/all, /all) for examples so things are 
> changing (unfortunately)
>
>> For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we 
>> already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts 
>> are not available through the Maven Central.
>
> don't know where you get 5 years from - they need to be much longer.
>
>> The blog itself also says: " If you are exposing your source and want 
>> to make it easy for others to build, then consider adding a 
>> repository entry to your POM, but don?t pick a URL lightly, think 
>> long-term, and use a URL that will always be under your control. If 
>> your URL has to change down the road, make sure that you will always 
>> be able to track 404s and write the appropriate mod_rewrite rules to 
>> ensure that future builds will be able to find the appropriate 
>> artifacts."
>>
>> Maybe I can be trying to convince myself, but what we're trying to 
>> achieve is "exposing your our source and want to make it easy for 
>> others to build"
>
> Look under the "Open Source Projects" - those are the concerns we are 
> under. The article is talking more about it being more okey for your 
> inhouse stuff.
>
>
> Anyway - I believe for the released runtime pom's we cnanot add the 
> repository urls but for the quickstart examples it is okey because of 
> the usability aspect.
>
> /max
>
>> Em 8/27/14, 8:52, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>> This was the email discussing the cons....
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject:     Re: Maven Configuration - preferred method
>>> Date:     Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:50:57 +0200
>>> From:     Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen at redhat.com>
>>> To:     Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>> CC:     Burr Sutter <bsutter at redhat.com>, Pete Muir 
>>> <pmuir at redhat.com>, Paul Gier <pgier at redhat.com>, 
>>> jboss-developer-usability-internal at redhat.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I have inherited some Maven configuration documentation and am 
>>> trying to verify a statement that was made in a topic on how to 
>>> configure the project POM file to use the JBoss EAP Maven Repository.
>>> >
>>> > It basically says:
>>> > "Red Hat recommends configuring the Maven repository in your 
>>> project's pom.xml file so the configuration applies regardless of 
>>> where the project is built."
>>> > This is as opposed to using the Maven settings.
>>>
>>> This recommendation is broken standing on its own.
>>>
>>> Read:http://www.sonatype.com/people/2009/02/why-putting-repositories-in-your-poms-is-a-bad-idea/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> We don't even do this for our own products and with good reasons.
>>>
>>> I know some projects do still do this but it has to be done very 
>>> carefully.
>>>
>>> All the arguments is in the blog from Sonatype.
>>>
>>> Thus in my opinion we should say something like:
>>>
>>> "Red Hat recommends configuration the Maven repository in your 
>>> settings.xml and only place the repositories in your pom.xml if you 
>>> understand the consequence of doing so, see <linktosontaypeblog>"
>>> "For a team the simplest way is to host the maven repository on a 
>>> shared webserver or use a repository manager such as Nexus or 
>>> Artifactory and use these settings in their ~/.m2/settings.xml"
>>>
>>> > Here are my questions:
>>> >     ? Is the really the preferred and recommended configuration? 
>>> This would only work if the repository is stored on a shared server. 
>>> If the repository is installed on the local file system, this 
>>> wouldn't work.
>>>
>>> Yes, exactly.
>>>
>>> >     ? For distributed development, it seems like it limits what a 
>>> developer can do to optimize the build process.
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> plus if the customer is putting this into  a pom that is referred to 
>>> by other projects he can actually "inject" this repository into 
>>> other users/customers builds which expect their builds to use 
>>> nothing but their hosted repository.
>>>
>>> > What should we be recommending here? Maven settings or project 
>>> POM? Or does it just depend? Should we be recommending anything?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>
> /max
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From benevides at redhat.com  Wed Aug 27 13:29:57 2014
From: benevides at redhat.com (Rafael Benevides)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:29:57 -0300
Subject: [jbossdeveloper] Maven Configuration - preferred method
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We need also to consider that the actual generated project by the 
latests Archetypes already uses <repository /> on its pom.xml.

So I assume that we're already somehow encouraging them to do it.

More inline..

Em 8/27/14, 13:26, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>> For our products we have the obligation to keep it for 5 years, so we 
>> already can't change the repo URL. Plus the fact that our quickstarts 
>> are not available through the Maven Central.
> don't know where you get 5 years from - they need to be much longer.
You're right. If we consider the ELS of some products it can easily get 
more than 10 years!
> Anyway - I believe for the released runtime pom's we cnanot add the 
> repository urls but for the quickstart examples it is okey because of 
> the usability aspect.
>
+1
> /max