[jbosstools-dev] Eclipse target platform features

Lucia Jelinkova ljelinko at redhat.com
Fri Jan 13 10:21:19 EST 2012 

Yes, seems so :-) 

I'll create a JIRA for this issue. 

Thank you and have a nice weekend. 

----- Original Message -----
> 
> On Jan 13, 2012, at 15:57, Lucia Jelinkova wrote:
> 
> > Hi Max,
> > 
> > to clarify if something is missing, I've decided to install Portlet
> > tools using clean Eclipse Indigo SR1 (for Java developers). I've
> > used the
> > http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/development/indigo/
> > update site. Then I've tried to create a New Dynamic Web Project
> > with Java Portlet facet enabled - and it failed with the same
> > errors as the tests.
> > 
> > Do we support installation of JBT on Eclipse for Java developers?
> 
> We recommend using Java EE version, but it should work. Thus if it
> does not work after begin installed then there are missing
> dependencies that needs to be added.
> 
> Sounds like you found the real bug :) A win for *not* having a
> "import all features for tests" :
> )
> /max
> 
> > If not, then I understand that I need to specify the JEE features
> > and plugins in tests by myself. But this constraint should be also
> > mentioned on the update site:
> > 
> > http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/dev
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Lucia
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Sorry, I've forgotten to mention that I am developing SWTBot
> >>>>> tests.
> >>>>> However, I still think that the UI test should basically
> >>>>> reference
> >>>>> just the feature under the test and not features like
> >>>>> org.eclipse.jst.enterprise_ui.feature.feature.group or
> >>>>> org.eclipse.jst.web_core.feature.feature.group.
> >>>> 
> >>>> This is a wrong assumption :) How do you expect Tycho to figure
> >>>> out
> >>>> the proper dependency set if there are no dependencies to it ?
> >>> 
> >>> Of course Tycho cannot handle dependencies that are not defined -
> >>> my assumption however is that if there is a plugin and the plugin
> >>> cannot successfully be executed without some dependencies, the
> >>> plugin should define those dependencies. In my case - I am
> >>> testing
> >>> portlets in JBT, so I would suppose that either the portlet
> >>> feature or some feature imported from that feature should
> >>> reference the Eclipse JEE features if it cannot run without them.
> >> 
> >> Yes, and you/dev should figure out if that is the case!
> >> 
> >> If no tests found it before then it is either because Yes, this
> >> plugin should be listed explicitly OR No, this plugin is implicit
> >> and optional and thus something tests would need to do it.
> >> 
> >>> So my question is, would it be a good idea to add previously
> >>> mentioned features from Eclipse JEE to the JBT plugin that
> >>> actually needs it and thus explicitly express the dependency?
> >> 
> >> Which features specifically ? The epp and ide ones does not make
> >> sense since they are eclipse product features AFAIK.
> >> 
> >> /max
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> What is missing is a way to tell Tycho to use "everything" from
> >>>> the
> >>>> target platform but that will also not always be what you want.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've seen musings on tycho-dev/user on this problem but I
> >>>> haven't
> >>>> followed through to see what options there is.
> >>>> 
> >>>>>> And the resulting target platform was different from the
> >>>>>> installation the user would have if he / she downloaded
> >>>>>> Eclipse
> >>>>>> and installed JBT to it. That's why I thought that referencing
> >>>>>> *.platform.ide feature and the jee feature would solve this
> >>>>>> issue.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> No, those are at the wrong level. They are the "product"
> >>>>>> definitions from eclipse epp packages.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> So do you think it not an issue that the target platform where
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> SWTBot tests run is not the "normal" Eclipse platform?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Depends what your test does.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But yes, I would like to find a way to tell Tycho to *build*
> >>>> against
> >>>> this target platform (which is 'everything') and then
> >>>> run tests against a set of different target platforms. (i.e.
> >>>> JBDS
> >>>> 5,
> >>>> Eclipse Java EE EPP 3.7 and 3.7.1)
> >>>> 
> >>>> But I don't know if that is possible yet - it would be really
> >>>> useful
> >>>> though.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Maybe raise this question on tycho mailing list to hear how
> >>>> others
> >>>> solves this if anything ?
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, that is a good advice, thank you.
> >>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> /max
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> /max
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Lucia
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Nick Boldt" <nboldt at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> Cc: "Lucia Jelinkova" <ljelinko at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>> jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:00:42 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Eclipse target platform features
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Just realized this is the public jbosstools-dev list, not the
> >>>>>> internal
> >>>>>> JBDS one. So... if you're not behind the VPN, you can't access
> >>>>>> that site.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> You can however see the same bits here, if you point Eclipse
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>> JBDS at it:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> http://devstudio.jboss.com/updates/5.0.0/5.0.0.M5.target-platform/
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 01/12/2012 12:58 PM, Nick Boldt wrote:
> >>>>>>> In addition to the JBT Target Platform site, there's also the
> >>>>>>> JBDS
> >>>>>>> Target Platform site:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> http://www.qa.jboss.com/binaries/RHDS/updates/jbds-target-platform_3.3.indigo.SR1-M/latest/
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Is that what you were looking for?
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On 01/12/2012 12:43 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I am trying to run my SWTBot tests using Maven and Tycho.
> >>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>> is, that besides feature under test (in my case it is
> >>>>>>>>> org.jboss.tools.portlet.feature.feature.group) I need to
> >>>>>>>>> reference
> >>>>>>>>> also other Eclipse related features:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.jst.enterprise_ui.feature.feature.group
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.jst.web_core.feature.feature.group
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.datatools.enablement.hsqldb.feature.feature.group
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I also need to specify some plugins where I've not found
> >>>>>>>>> corresponding feature:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.wst.jsdt.web.core
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.wst.jsdt.web.support.jsp
> >>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.wst.jsdt.web.ui
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to get rid of these dependencies by referencing
> >>>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>>> one or
> >>>>>>>>> two features - the one of Eclipse itself (so that I can run
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> tests
> >>>>>>>>> against the full Eclipse installation). I've found in my
> >>>>>>>>> 'Eclipse
> >>>>>>>>> Java EE IDE for Web
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Try to avoid using features as dependencies - use plugins.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> However, on our target platform URL
> >>>>>>>>> (http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/target-platform_3.3.indigo.SR1-M/latest/)
> >>>>>>>>> I can find just the first one (although also some JEE
> >>>>>>>>> features
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>> there). Am I just missing it? Would it be possible to
> >>>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> target platform to include both of them?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> No, app and platform.ide are product features which is *not*
> >>>>>>>> part of
> >>>>>>>> our target platform.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Also, would it be possible to create similar site with JBDS
> >>>>>>>>> installation so that we can test against the full product?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Not sure what this means ?
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> /max
> >>>>>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> jbosstools-dev mailing list
> >>>>>>>> jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
> >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Nick Boldt :: JBoss by Red Hat
> >>>>>> Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev Studio
> >>>>>> http://nick.divbyzero.com
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> /max
> >>>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> /max
> >>>> http://about.me/maxandersen
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >> 
> >> /max
> >> http://about.me/maxandersen
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> /max
> http://about.me/maxandersen
> 
> 
> 
>

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