[jbosstools-dev] integration stack component installation

Mon Nov 17 12:20:12 EST 2014

Agreed I just logged https://issues.jboss.org/browse/DEVELOPER-1103

to get the info on Eclipse Tooling moved to a more prominent position on the product page.

Aileen

> That was part of it - some others did not even know that they could
> download *any* tools today.
> 
> The fact the main Fuse page does not even mention it before several
> pages down is something that can be fixed easily and today
> versus new installer setup and then still need to add link to the fuse
> pages ;)
> 
> /max
> 
> > -- Len
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > | From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <manderse at redhat.com>
> > | To: "Aileen Cunningham" <aileenc at redhat.com>
> > | Cc: "soa-pm-list List" <soa-pm-list at redhat.com>, "jbosstools-dev
> > | jbosstools-dev" <jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org>,
> > | jbds-is-pm-list at redhat.com, "JDV-PM Mailing List"
> > <jdv-pm at redhat.com>,
> > | "Mustafa Musaji" <mmusaji at redhat.com>, "Fuse-pm-list"
> > | <fuse-pm-list at redhat.com>, "bpms-pm-list" <bpms-pm-list at redhat.com>
> > | Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:47:13 AM
> > | Subject: Re: integration stack component installation
> >
> > | On 17 Nov 2014, at 11:04, Aileen Cunningham wrote:
> >
> > | > Hi Paul,
> > | >
> > | > when you say "establish JBTIS/ JBDSIS installers based on JBT/
> > JBDS"
> > | > are you talking about a combined installer where you can install
> > JBDS
> > | > + IS in 1 action?
> >
> > | Yes. But this requires work/QE resources.
> >
> > | > People can find the runtime download on JBoss.org fairly easily so
> > | > what we need to get to is a 2nd big green download button on the
> > Fuse
> > | > product page that installs the relevant Tooling.
> >
> > | Can we start by putting existing devstudio installer there now ?
> > (last
> > | time I looked it was not even mentioning it)
> >
> > | I believe your team is "owner" of those pages or at least should be
> > able
> > | to request the best changes to them.
> >
> > | If not let me know what pages you believe should be changed and I
> > can
> > | help track it down.
> >
> > | /max
> >
> > | >
> > | > best regards,
> > | > Aileen
> > | >
> > | >
> > | > ----- Original Message -----
> > | >> From: "Paul Leacu" <pleacu at redhat.com>
> > | >> To: "Kevin Conner" <kconner at redhat.com>, "Max Rydahl Andersen"
> > | >> <max.andersen at redhat.com>, "Aileen Cunningham"
> > | >> <aileenc at redhat.com>
> > | >> Cc: "soa-pm-list List" <soa-pm-list at redhat.com>, "jbosstools-dev
> > | >> jbosstools-dev" <jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org>,
> > | >> jbds-is-pm-list at redhat.com, "JDV-PM Mailing List"
> > | >> <jdv-pm at redhat.com>, "Mustafa Musaji" <mmusaji at redhat.com>,
> > | >> "Fuse-pm-list" <fuse-pm-list at redhat.com>, "bpms-pm-list"
> > | >> <bpms-pm-list at redhat.com>
> > | >> Sent: Friday, 14 November, 2014 8:43:18 PM
> > | >> Subject: integration stack component installation
> > | >>
> > | >>
> > | >> Greetings,
> > | >> At the JBoss f2f last week in Brno there was a meeting to discuss
> > | >> the
> > | >> ease of installation
> > | >> issue (or lack thereof) of integration stack components.
> > Presented
> > | >> here
> > | >> is a summary of the
> > | >> issue and a proposed solution as drafted by the team. Although
> > | >> members of
> > | >> platform architecture,
> > | >> engineering, PM and QE were present - the solution is simply
> > proposed
> > | >> at
> > | >> this time. We also
> > | >> plan to evolve the solution over time - so that the issue will be
> > | >> addressed more fully.
> > | >>
> > | >> Your comments are welcome!
> > | >>
> > | >> Thanks,
> > | >> --paull
> > | >>
> > | >> ------
> > | >>
> > | >> Issue: Finding integration stack components to install is too
> > | >> difficult.
> > | >> This was made
> > | >> clear by Fuse Tooling usability reviews and is discussed in
> > | >> detail
> > | >> here:
> > | >>
> > | >> https://mojo.redhat.com/docs/DOC-977658
> > | >>
> > | >> Proposed Solution:
> > | >>
> > | >> - Extend Eclipse Marketplace by enabling JBTIS/ JBDSIS entries
> > for
> > | >> product
> > | >> groupings and establish
> > | >> JBTIS/ JBDSIS installers based on JBT/ JBDS.
> > | >>
> > | >> Discussion:
> > | >> As it exists today, users who search within the standard Eclipse
> > | >> Marketplace for keywords
> > | >> such as "Camel Editor" or "Fuse" are directed to the JBDS or JBT
> > | >> Kepler
> > | >> installers. Users
> > | >> must select the "more info" link on the Marketplace installer
> > page
> > | >> and
> > | >> then page down to
> > | >> find this text:
> > | >>
> > | >> "Also available is the JBoss Developer Studio Integration Stack,
> > | >> which
> > | >> includes support for SwitchYard, Camel, Fuse, Fabric8, Drools,
> > | >> jBPM,
> > | >> ModeShape, Teiid and more. It is available from within JBoss
> > | >> Central,
> > | >> via the Software/update tab."
> > | >>
> > | >> This is the first mention of Fuse and directs the user to install
> > | >> JBDS
> > | >> (or JBT) and then,
> > | >> after installing/ restarting and as a separate action, use the
> > | >> Software/Update tab within
> > | >> JBoss Central to find the Fuse tooling. In this case Fuse is part
> > | >> of:
> > | >>
> > | >> "JBoss Integration and SOA Development" - (The category
> > description
> > | >> does
> > | >> mention Fuse.)
> > | >>
> > | >> Solution Details:
> > | >>
> > | >> The extended IS-aware Eclipse Marketplace entries will reference
> > | >> the
> > | >> existing update site
> > | >> and when selecting "Install" you will get a yet-to-be-defined
> > | >> subset of
> > | >> the Eclipse features that
> > | >> will match what you would get when using the install from JBoss
> > | >> Central
> > | >> today - but without having
> > | >> to install Developer Studio plugins separately first.
> > | >>
> > | >> The installer option is to be based on the JBDS installer and
> > will
> > | >> be
> > | >> made available from the CSP/jboss.org
> > | >> download next to the existing installer.
> > | >>
> > | >> JBDS 7.1.1.GA/JBDSIS 7.1.0.GA (Kepler) - What can we do today?
> > | >>
> > | >> - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBTIS-354
> > | >>
> > | >> The least required changes would leave the user with a single
> > | >> JBDSIS
> > | >> installer and a single
> > | >> JBTIS installer when searching for "Fuse" or "Data
> > | >> Virtualization" for
> > | >> example. Upon selecting
> > | >> one of these installers the user would see all available
> > | >> installation-units (features) available
> > | >> in the combined integration stack. Users could then select all
> > | >> or
> > | >> just the fuse tooling IUs.
> > | >> This is the "laundry list" approach.
> > | >>
> > | >> JBDS 8.1.0.GA/JBDSIS 8.0.x.GA (Luna) - Short term for upcoming
> > | >> tooling
> > | >> releases.
> > | >>
> > | >> - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBTIS-355
> > | >>
> > | >> * Add a new com.jboss.devstudio.core.central.feature that
> > | >> packages up
> > | >> the com.jboss.devstudio.core.central
> > | >> plugin and include this in com.jboss.devstudio.core.feature
> > | >> (this is
> > | >> missing today).
> > | >> * Enable usage tracking in JBTIS components' MANIFEST.MF files
> > | >> (this
> > | >> is under way now)
> > | >> - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBTIS-290
> > | >> * create three connectors, each based on the content in JBDSIS
> > | >> discovery plugin.xml's top three
> > | >> connector categories
> > | >> - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBTIS-357
> > | >>
> > | >> 1. Fuse ServiceWorks - ref: JBoss Integration and SOA
> > | >> Development
> > | >> 2. BRMS/BPMS - ref: JBoss Business Process and
> > | >> Rules
> > | >> Development
> > | >> 3. JBoss Data Virtualization - ref: JBoss Data Virtualization
> > | >> Development
> > | >>
> > | >> ** A1: PMs (hey Alan) must come up with appropriate names for 1-3
> > | >> above. The naming convention should be
> > | >> "compatible" with a Mobile tools install that have been
> > | >> requested too.
> > | >>
> > | >> The user searches for "Fuse" from Marketplace and immediately
> > | >> finds
> > | >> JBDSIS. The installer allows
> > | >> the user to select from 1-3 above. The user selects "Fuse
> > | >> ServiceWorks" (if that's the name) by
> > | >> selecting the radio button (or selects all easily).
> > | >>
> > | >> JBDS 9.0.0.GA/JBDSIS 9.0.x.GA (Mars) - Make it better - continue
> > to
> > | >> evolve the solution
> > | >>
> > | >> - https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBTIS-356/
> > | >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-18734
> > | >> Refactor project examples in Central to remove dependencies on
> > | >> portal
> > | >> & seam (size reduction - avoid
> > | >> installing unnecessary plugins).
> > | >>
> > | >> Similar experience to Luna except the installer is much leaner.
> > | >>
> > | >> No default perspective change - potential stretch goal.
> > | >>
> > | >> This subject went back and forth. The user has an established
> > | >> perspective when they began the installation
> > | >> process and may be installing multiple features which may very
> > well
> > | >> have
> > | >> different default perspectives.
> > | >> Once users manually set their perspective it will be remembered
> > the
> > | >> next
> > | >> time they start the tool.
> > | >>
> > | >> Alternatively, the installer option definitely should be able to
> > do
> > | >> this. When installing into an existing
> > | >> Eclipse that is not that trivial, which is one of the reasons why
> > | >> JBoss
> > | >> Central exists. Central shows
> > | >> up across perspectives and when the user selects Fuse the Fuse
> > | >> project
> > | >> can declare it and would ask users
> > | >> if they want to move to the Fuse perspective.
> > | >>
> > | >> We could also look into adding "roles" to Central to make it
> > adopt
> > | >> better depending on what interest you
> > | >> have as a user.
> > | >>
> > | >> --paull
> > | >>
> > | >>
> >
> > | /max
> > | http://about.me/maxandersen
> >
> > --
> >
> > Len DiMaggio (ldimaggi at redhat.com)
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> 
> /max
> http://about.me/maxandersen
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