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<pre wrap="">So, 1.0.1 is the current release, and 2.0.0M3 is a milestone (for
Galileo, probably)?
If so, then we need to support 1.0.1 in JBT 3.0 and look at supporting
both in a later release where 2.0.0M3 is released too.
Are either of the formats used by 2.0.0M3 and 1.0.1 more
"standard"/correct in the BPMN world?
-- John
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In the bpmn specification, a sequence flow should include the source
and target attributes.<br>
In *.bpmn file, if a sequence flow has these two attributes, user can
visually get the information about<br>
a sequenceflow's source node and target node.<br>
In my last product about bpmn editor, these two attributes were
included in sequence flow. But I do not<br>
know which method is more standard.<br>
I think maybe STP bpmn modeler consider the redundance of these
attributes.<br>
Because a task node:<br>
<vertices xmi:type="bpmn:Activity" xmi:id="_69D2YcToEd22teFP9tln4A"
iD="_69D2YMToEd22teFP9tln4A" <font color="#ff6666">outgoingEdges</font>="_9Uzw4cToEd22teFP9tln4A"
name="Task" activityType="Task"/><br>
<vertices xmi:type="bpmn:Activity" xmi:id="_89mKwcToEd22teFP9tln4A"
iD="_89mKwMToEd22teFP9tln4A" <font color="#ff6666">incomingEdges</font>="_9Uzw4cToEd22teFP9tln4A"/>
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a sequence flow:<br>
<sequenceEdges xmi:type="bpmn:SequenceEdge"
xmi:id="_9Uzw4cToEd22teFP9tln4A" iD="_9Uzw4MToEd22teFP9tln4A" <font
color="#ff6666">source</font>="_69D2YcToEd22teFP9tln4A" <font
color="#ff6666">target</font>="_89mKwcToEd22teFP9tln4A"/><br>
<br>
We can get the source and target information from vertices's
outgoingEdges and incommingEdges. So STP bpmn modeler remove these two
attribute in 2.0.0M3 version.<br>
But in STP bpmn modeler emf model, a sequence flow has these two
attributes and can call getSource() method to get source node.<br>
This is a advantage of using emf model to do the convertion. But now we
use DOM model to do the convertion, we have to handle this issue.<br>
<br>
However I have post a message in stp bpmn newsgroup for this quesion,
let us wait the answer.<br>
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Grid<br>
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On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 15:56 +0800, grid.qian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi guys,
This mail is a summary of the mail thread about STP modeler.
Based eclipse Ganymede-SR1, we can install STP modeler by update site.
The STP modeler now has two version: 1.0.1 for Ganymede SR1 and 2.0.0M3
from committer build. (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.eclipse.org/stp/downloads/">http://download.eclipse.org/stp/downloads/</a>)
There are some differences between 1.0.1 and 2.0.0M3. One of these
differences bring about the issue JBIDE3364.
The difference is about sequence edges in a sample *.bpmn file:
In 1.0.1 version
<sequenceEdges xmi:type="bpmn:SequenceEdge"
xmi:id="_UAo2UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" iD="_UAo2UMTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"
source="_R362UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" target="_Tny4gcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"/>
In 2.0.0M3 version
<sequenceEdges xmi:type="bpmn:SequenceEdge"
xmi:id="_UAo2UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" iD="_UAo2UMTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"/>
In 2.0.0M3 version, the sequenceEdges node has not source and target
attributes. So the issue JBIDE3364 occurs.
So I want to know if we should support 2.0.0M3 in jboss tools 3.0? or
support 2.0.0M3 in jboss tools later vertion?
Grid
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<pre wrap="">Grid,
Not sure what you mean when you say based on Ganymeade. All of the
testing I have been doing is based on Ganymede:
eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk.
Which different version of STP are you using?
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<pre wrap="">Aha, yes. I download the Ganymede-sr1 again. It does not include STP
modeler. Maybe my ganymede is not clear
base. So I test again on Ganymede-sr1 and update to 1.0(Ganymede) and to
1.0.1(Ganymede SR1). The JBIDE-3364 does not
occur. Only when update to stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3. The JBIDE-3364
occurs.
For this, should I support stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3? (it is a committer
build)
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://download.eclipse.org/stp/updates/releases/1.0.1.200809261307/site.xml"><http://download.eclipse.org/stp/updates/releases/1.0.1.200809261307/site.xml></a>
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<pre wrap="">Jeff
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From: "grid.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org">jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:24:16 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: Which version should I support? (Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re:
How to use JBPm Converter)
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<pre wrap=""> From this link page, the Ganymede is stable.
stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip is committer build.
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<pre wrap="">O, my god!
Jeff, you are right. Based on your stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip, I
get the issue.
But based on Ganymede, this issue does not occur.
The stp modeler is too distable!
Which version should I support? or both?
Any suggestion are appreciated.
Grid
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<pre wrap="">----- Original Message -----
From: "grid.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org">jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>, "John Graham" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgraham@redhat.com"><jgraham@redhat.com></a>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:45:06 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
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<pre wrap="">Grid,
As I stated below, I am using the SOA Tools BPMN Editor.
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<pre wrap="">Now I have installed:
eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk
JBossTools-3.0.0.CR1-N200812050815-ALL-linux-gtk
and the SOA Tools BPMN Modeler from stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip
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<pre wrap="">It is true that my models were generated from PI4SOA CDL models.
However I created a very simple model directly in SOA Tools BPMN
Modeler and I experience the same issue when trying to convert it
to JPDL (attached those files). Also, not sure what you mean by
"sequenceflow". I don't see sequenceflow in any .bpmn or
.bpmn_diagram.
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<pre wrap="">O, "sequenceflow" is a name from bpmn specification. In *.bpmn, it
's name is "sequenceEdges". In stp bpmn editor, it's name is Flow
Connector.
I am running stp bpmn editor by debugging stp bpmn editor sources.
So maybe some differences?
Where do you get the stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip? Please give me a
link.Thanks.
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<pre wrap="">Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "grid.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
To: "John Graham" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgraham@redhat.com"><jgraham@redhat.com></a>
Cc: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org">jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:14:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
Mountain
Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
Hi Jeff,
I have known the reason of the issue JBIDE-3364.
I think your bpmn files are not from STP BPMN EDITOR?
STP bpmn editor bpmn file: *.bpmn, it's sequenceflow has a attribute:
source. The source is the sequenceflow's source node. But your bpmn
files has not this attribute. So this issue occurs.
John,
We need to support these files from other editor?
If yes, I need to do some works for it.
If not, I have a workaround:
Open the bpmn file using stp bpmn editor, do some changes
(not real changes, only aim to call stp editor's save method)
Then save the file. At this time, the stp editor add the source
attribute
to the sequenceflow automatically, you may use the bpmn export
correctly
Grid
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<pre wrap="">I tried again with another BPMN model that had multiple pools.
When I
uncheck a pool in the wizard, it throws an NPE. Should this be
described in another JIRA issue
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<pre wrap="">Yes, please.
-- John
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 14:22 -0500, Jeffrey Delong wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Jon,
I attached the files. Grid did not report the file worked
correctly for him, he just reported that the zip file from the
download site that I sent him installed correctly in his
environment.
I tried again with another BPMN model that had multiple pools.
When I uncheck a pool in the wizard, it throws an NPE. Should
this be described in another JIRA issue?
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: "John Graham" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgraham@redhat.com"><jgraham@redhat.com></a>
To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org">jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>, "feng.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 12:09:45 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
Mountain
Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
Jeff,
I've created:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-3364">https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-3364</a>
to track this. Can you please attach the BPMN file in question to
that
JIRA, so Grid can look into it (not sure if this is the same file as
originally discussed on this thread, since Grid reported that file
worked correctly for him.)
Grid: Please take a look into this.
-- John
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:26 -0500, Jeffrey Delong wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Now I have installed:
eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk
JBossTools-3.0.0.CR1-N200812050815-ALL-linux-gtk
and the SOA Tools BPMN Modeler from stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip
The BPMN Converter is installed, and I see it when I use Export
from the Context Menu. However when I get to the step in the
wizard that has me select the pool, I select the only pool in my
BPMN diagram (I had hand removed the other pools prior to start
with a simple example), and it hangs when I select next, and I
have to cancel. My BPMN model was generated from the pi4soa CDL
tool.
Jeff
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To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org">jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org</a>, "feng.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10:20:54 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
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Jeff,
I suspect that Grid created this zip from his own environment,
since I'm
not aware of any regularly produced zips in this area.
The requirement you mention about using SOA-P tooling only from
JBT has
been the subject of debate before, with one serious limiting factor
being the JBT build. As Nick B moves the JBT to a modular
system, then I
think these sorts of subsets become possible. Ultimately, it
would be
Max's call.
-- John
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<pre wrap="">Jon,
A lot of times we don't want the entire JBoss Tools, but just
the plugins that we intend to use. In particular doing soa
development work I have no interest in or use for seam, rich
faces, jbossas tooling. So until there is a version of JBoss
Tools targeted at the SOA developer, I would prefer to add the
plugins I require. Grid mentioned a common zip, but the one he
passed me was old. I don't see a tools common zip on the
download page. How would I find this?
Thanks,
Jeff
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From: "John Graham" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jgraham@redhat.com"><jgraham@redhat.com></a>
To: "feng.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
Cc: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>,
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Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:26 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
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Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
On the surface (just scanning the thread below):
Jeff: Having the plug-in and feature in the right directories
is the
first step, but that does not necessarily mean that the Eclipse
platform
will load them (dependencies could be missing). If you don't see a
"BPMN" category under Export, then it is likely due to missing
dependencies. I would suggest the latest Eclipse Gaynmede J2EE
package
and latest JBT CR1 build to ensure everything is in place.
-- John
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:27 +0800, feng.qian wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Jeffrey,
I have tested your zip file. No problems.
Please go to the eclipse menu Help->About Eclipse
Platform->Plug-in Details and see
if the plugin is correctly installed.
Grid
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<pre wrap="">Grid,
Downloaded from:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/">http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/</a>
I have verified that both the feature and the plugin are in
the appropriate directory:
I have attached the zip file.
Thanks,
Jeff
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To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 9:39:16 PM GMT -07:00
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Subject: Re: How to use JBPm Converter
Jeffrey Delong wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Grid,
This is not working for me. I do not see the BPMN Folder.
I unzipped jBPM-Convert-1.0.0.Beta1-R200810311334.zip into
eclipse folder.
FYI I have installed:
pi4soa2.0.0.CR4-eclipse3.4-linux.tar.gz
jbpm 3.1.5 via the local update site
(jbpm-jpdl-designer-site-3.1.5.zip)
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<pre wrap="">jBPM-Convert-1.0.0.Beta1-R200810311334.zip?
Where do you get it? I have never seen this zip. But I think
it maybe:
The zip should include a feature named
org.jboss.tools.jbpm.convert.feature and a plugin named
org.jboss.tools.jbpm.convert.
You should put the plugin into eclipse/plugins and the
feature into eclipse/features.
If not working, please send the zip to me.
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<pre wrap="">eclipse stp bpmn modeler from local update site
(stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip)
This is my "process designer" workbench :)
Jeff
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From: "feng.qian" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fqian@redhat.com"><fqian@redhat.com></a>
To: "Jeffrey Delong" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdelong@redhat.com"><jdelong@redhat.com></a>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:54:33 PM GMT -07:00
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Subject: Re: How to use JBPm Converter
Hi Jeffrey,
This is my carelessness. I forgot to tell you the changes
about jbpm convert. As John's suggestion, I removed the
popup menu of jbpm convert and added a export wizard.
You may:
1. Choose a *.bpmn file ,and right click on it.
2. The popup menu is opened.
3. You click on Export... action.
4. A wizard for export open.
5. In this wizard, there is a folder named BPMN Export,
click it to expand it and click BPMN -> JPDL menu.
6. A wizard for jbpm converter open.
This wizard looks like that before. I think you are able to
use it.
Any questions, please let me know.
(Before you use jbpm convert, you must have two file in a
folder: *.bpmn and *.bpmn_diagram)
Cheers
Grid
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<pre wrap="">Hi Grid,
I installed the JBPM Converter into my Eclipse 3.4
installation (Linux). Next time I started it Eclipse it
came up shrunken in the top left corner of my display.
I have a BPMN diagram (that I generated from a PI4SOA cdm
file) and want to try to convert it to jBPM. Not sure what
is the right way to do that.
Thanks,
Jeff
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