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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Michael<br><br>Just want to add that Eclipse is regarded by some as some overhead.<br>Maybe simple explanation and success example can show that it s easy.<br>(Especially with cases when code/interactions continues to be on GitHub)<br>And that would be one more nice addition to what is missing on eclipse.org site.<br><br>Contributing on GitHub I myself ran into situation when PR are not even commented for a month or two.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 12:35:29 +0200<br>From: mistria@redhat.com<br>To: paul.verest@live.com; angelo.zerr@gmail.com<br>CC: jbosstools-dev@lists.jboss.org<br>Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Nodeclipse IDE (or components) in JBoss Tools?<br><br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Hi Paul,<br>
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On 05/20/2014 12:09 PM, Paul Verest wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I suggest to lobby that Eclipse would recognize
non-Eclipse.org projects under EPL license as valuable part of
Eclipse eco-system</div>
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MarketPlace was done to fulfill this goal and it works pretty well.
Some non Eclipse.org project have been pretty successful thanks to
MarketPlace and MarketPlace client. I think those should thank the
Foundation for that.<br>
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<div>that Eclipse project committers should be aware of, give
and take help.</div>
<div>e.g. <a href="https://github.com/eclipse-color-theme/eclipse-color-theme" target="_blank">https://github.com/eclipse-color-theme/eclipse-color-theme</a><br>
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The issue with the multiplication of projects out of Eclipse.org is
that you end up with different process to contribute and don't have
the guarantee a contribution would be appreciated and considered.
Being on GitHub is not a proof of an open development process, it's
"just" OSS code. That's why it makes sense for
contributors/consumers (like us) to encourage projects to become
official Eclipse projects. Eclipse Foundation has set up rules that
ensure a really open development process and that guarantee that a
project can't be locked, and that encourage contributions over
forks. It makes things safer.<br>
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<div>Something like open letter from Eclipse Foundation to
Eclipse plugins authors.</div>
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That's probably a good idea.<br>
Maybe the Foundation (or the community in general) should make it
more official that projects on GitHub/MarketPlace are welcome to
become official Eclipse projects and explain to authors that being
an Eclipse.org project is a sign of real openness and a generator of
success.<br>
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But in any way, I can fully understand from the Foundation POV and
from our "consumer" POV, that there is and will always be a
distinction between Eclipse.org and non-Eclipse.org projects. The
Foundation rules are definitely something good, that make a
difference.<br>
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<div>Please also help to connect to Red Hat China managers or
marketing.</div>
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Unfortunately, I don't know anyone in Red Hat office in China. Maybe
Rob (Stryker) can help.<br>
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<div>@Angelo Would this email get into jbosstools-dev list?</div>
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Yes, it's on. And this answer too. Check you CC list before sending
mails ;)<br>
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Mickael Istria<br>
Eclipse developer at <a href="http://www.jboss.org/tools" target="_blank">JBoss,
by Red Hat</a><br>
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