<p dir="ltr">Just to be clear... Is the feedback coming from CUSTOMERS or from community? If the latter, then maybe we can remove it since we don't necessarily derive customer value from it. </p>
<p dir="ltr">(I realize community is important, but maybe we need to get them to step up and contribute to a performant WebKit version?)</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2016 1:24 PM, "Alexey Kazakov" <<a href="mailto:alkazako@redhat.com">alkazako@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Yes, Ilya is correct. We tried to remove VPE and Xulrunner but
got immediate feedback from users that it's an important feature.
Does having VPE/Xulrunner in devstudio causes any problem? If so
please speak up. Otherwise we are planing to continue to include
VPE and Xulrunner in JBossTools/devstudio.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Ilya
Buziuk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ibuziuk@redhat.com" target="_blank">ibuziuk@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Actually, we planned to remove xulrunner
and deprecate VPE some time ago and leave only VPV as a
WYSIWYG html editor. However, as soon as we gave a shout
out about this on <a href="http://tools.jboss.org" target="_blank">tools.jboss.org</a>
the first comment was:
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used JBoss Tools was the Visual Editor for JSF,
especially for the Visual parts, which was not perfect
but was good enough to have it. Will you have
alternatives for that ? [1]</blockquote>
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<div>It was decided that we need to slow down with this
process. I can not say if it is a high time for doing
this assuming that some people actually use
it. Furthermore, some people treat it as a killer
feature for JSF that only one IDE is providing. So, we
need to think twice before doing it.</div>
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<div> [1] <a href="http://tools.jboss.org/blog/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.GA-for-luna.html" target="_blank">http://tools.jboss.org/bl<wbr>og/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.<wbr>GA-for-luna.html</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at
5:40 PM, Nick Boldt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nboldt@redhat.com" target="_blank">nboldt@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On the Eclipse team call
today, the question of why we need Xulrunner<br>
was brought up again.<br>
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As I understand it, the only reason we still
include Xulrunner is for<br>
the Visual Page Editor. But Alex pointed out
today that Xulrunner only<br>
works on GTK2, which means a user has to
explicity disable GTK3 in<br>
order for Xulrunner to be used, as these days
GTK3 is the default OOTB<br>
implementation on the platforms we support
(Fedora 24/25, RHEL7,<br>
etc.).<br>
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So... is it time to remove Xulrunner from the
Devstudio dependencies,<br>
if most people are not even seeing it used?<br>
<br>
Alex suggested it might be useful to set up a
call to discuss this in<br>
more depth. Is there a good time tomorrow or
Friday you guys would<br>
like to meet to discuss this, if it can't be
resolved asynchronously<br>
via email?<br>
<br>
Whatever we decide here, we should make sure we
announce this on the<br>
jbosstools-dev@ list.<br>
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Nick Boldt :: JBoss by Red Hat<br>
Productization Lead :: JBoss Tools & Dev
Studio<br>
<a href="http://nick.divbyzero.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://nick.divbyzero.com</a><br>
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