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<p>Community as far as I remember. But again, what problem are we
trying to solve by removing Xulrunner?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/28/2016 11:27 AM, Nick Boldt
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<p dir="ltr">Just to be clear... Is the feedback coming from
CUSTOMERS or from community? If the latter, then maybe we can
remove it since we don't necessarily derive customer value from
it. </p>
<p dir="ltr">(I realize community is important, but maybe we need
to get them to step up and contribute to a performant WebKit
version?)</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2016 1:24 PM, "Alexey
Kazakov" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Adding jbosstools-dev</p>
<p>Yes, Ilya is correct. We tried to remove VPE and
Xulrunner but got immediate feedback from users that
it's an important feature. Does having VPE/Xulrunner in
devstudio causes any problem? If so please speak up.
Otherwise we are planing to continue to include VPE and
Xulrunner in JBossTools/devstudio.</p>
<p>Thanks.<br>
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<div>On 09/28/2016 09:22 AM, Ilya Buziuk wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at
6:19 PM, Ilya Buziuk <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:ibuziuk@redhat.com"
target="_blank">ibuziuk@redhat.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Actually, we planned to remove
xulrunner and deprecate VPE some time ago
and leave only VPV as a WYSIWYG html editor.
However, as soon as we gave a shout out
about this on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.jboss.org"
target="_blank">tools.jboss.org</a> the
first comment was:
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Nice.
The reason I used JBoss Tools was the
Visual Editor for JSF, especially for the
Visual parts, which was not perfect but
was good enough to have it. Will you have
alternatives for that ? [1]</blockquote>
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<div>It was decided that we need to slow
down with this process. I can not say if
it is a high time for doing this assuming
that some people actually use
it. Furthermore, some people treat it as a
killer feature for JSF that only one IDE
is providing. So, we need to think twice
before doing it.</div>
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<div> [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.jboss.org/blog/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.GA-for-luna.html"
target="_blank">http://tools.jboss.org/bl<wbr>og/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.<wbr>GA-for-luna.html</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28,
2016 at 5:40 PM, Nick Boldt <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nboldt@redhat.com"
target="_blank">nboldt@redhat.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">On the
Eclipse team call today, the
question of why we need Xulrunner<br>
was brought up again.<br>
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As I understand it, the only reason
we still include Xulrunner is for<br>
the Visual Page Editor. But Alex
pointed out today that Xulrunner
only<br>
works on GTK2, which means a user
has to explicity disable GTK3 in<br>
order for Xulrunner to be used, as
these days GTK3 is the default OOTB<br>
implementation on the platforms we
support (Fedora 24/25, RHEL7,<br>
etc.).<br>
<br>
So... is it time to remove Xulrunner
from the Devstudio dependencies,<br>
if most people are not even seeing
it used?<br>
<br>
Alex suggested it might be useful to
set up a call to discuss this in<br>
more depth. Is there a good time
tomorrow or Friday you guys would<br>
like to meet to discuss this, if it
can't be resolved asynchronously<br>
via email?<br>
<br>
Whatever we decide here, we should
make sure we announce this on the<br>
jbosstools-dev@ list.<br>
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--<br>
Nick Boldt :: JBoss by Red Hat<br>
Productization Lead :: JBoss
Tools & Dev Studio<br>
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href="http://nick.divbyzero.com"
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target="_blank">http://nick.divbyzero.com</a><br>
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