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    <p>Community as far as I remember. But again, what problem are we
      trying to solve by removing Xulrunner?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/28/2016 11:27 AM, Nick Boldt
      wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">Just to be clear... Is the feedback coming from
        CUSTOMERS or from community? If the latter, then maybe we can
        remove it since we don't necessarily derive customer value from
        it. </p>
      <p dir="ltr">(I realize community is important, but maybe we need
        to get them to step up and contribute to a performant WebKit
        version?)</p>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2016 1:24 PM, "Alexey
          Kazakov" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:alkazako@redhat.com">alkazako@redhat.com</a>&gt;
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              <p>Adding jbosstools-dev</p>
              <p>Yes, Ilya is correct. We tried to remove VPE and
                Xulrunner but got immediate feedback from users that
                it's an important feature. Does having VPE/Xulrunner in
                devstudio causes any problem? If so please speak up.
                Otherwise we are planing to continue to include VPE and
                Xulrunner in JBossTools/devstudio.</p>
              <p>Thanks.<br>
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                <div>On 09/28/2016 09:22 AM, Ilya Buziuk wrote:<br>
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                    <div>CC: Max Andersen &amp; Alexey Kazakov</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at
                        6:19 PM, Ilya Buziuk <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ibuziuk@redhat.com"
                            target="_blank">ibuziuk@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Actually, we planned to remove
                            xulrunner and deprecate VPE some time ago
                            and leave only VPV as a WYSIWYG html editor.
                            However, as soon as we gave a shout out
                            about this on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://tools.jboss.org"
                              target="_blank">tools.jboss.org</a> the
                            first comment was: 
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                              style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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                              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Nice.
                              The reason I used JBoss Tools was the
                              Visual Editor for JSF, especially for the
                              Visual parts, which was not perfect but
                              was good enough to have it. Will you have
                              alternatives for that ? [1]</blockquote>
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                            <div>It was decided that we need to slow
                              down with this process. I can not say if
                              it is a high time for doing this assuming
                              that some people actually use
                              it. Furthermore, some people treat it as a
                              killer feature for JSF that only one IDE
                              is providing. So, we need to think twice
                              before doing it.</div>
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                            <div> [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://tools.jboss.org/blog/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.GA-for-luna.html"
                                target="_blank">http://tools.jboss.org/bl<wbr>og/2015-04-02-devstudio-8.1.0.<wbr>GA-for-luna.html</a></div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 28,
                                  2016 at 5:40 PM, Nick Boldt <span
                                    dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:nboldt@redhat.com"
                                      target="_blank">nboldt@redhat.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex">On the
                                    Eclipse team call today, the
                                    question of why we need Xulrunner<br>
                                    was brought up again.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    As I understand it, the only reason
                                    we still include Xulrunner is for<br>
                                    the Visual Page Editor. But Alex
                                    pointed out today that Xulrunner
                                    only<br>
                                    works on GTK2, which means a user
                                    has to explicity disable GTK3 in<br>
                                    order for Xulrunner to be used, as
                                    these days GTK3 is the default OOTB<br>
                                    implementation on the platforms we
                                    support (Fedora 24/25, RHEL7,<br>
                                    etc.).<br>
                                    <br>
                                    So... is it time to remove Xulrunner
                                    from the Devstudio dependencies,<br>
                                    if most people are not even seeing
                                    it used?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Alex suggested it might be useful to
                                    set up a call to discuss this in<br>
                                    more depth. Is there a good time
                                    tomorrow or Friday you guys would<br>
                                    like to meet to discuss this, if it
                                    can't be resolved asynchronously<br>
                                    via email?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Whatever we decide here, we should
                                    make sure we announce this on the<br>
                                    jbosstools-dev@ list.<br>
                                    <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                        --<br>
                                        Nick Boldt :: JBoss by Red Hat<br>
                                        Productization Lead :: JBoss
                                        Tools &amp; Dev Studio<br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://nick.divbyzero.com"
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                                          target="_blank">http://nick.divbyzero.com</a><br>
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