<div dir="ltr">FYI - here's another place we can consider stepping up to provide support for the Java Enterprise world, as IBM steps back.<div><br></div><div>Nick<br><div><br></div><div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">arjan tijms</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arjan.tijms@gmail.com">arjan.tijms@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM<br>Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>To: EE4J community discussions <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr">Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Werner Keil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.keil@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools release scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train:<div><a href="https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools" target="_blank">https://projects.eclipse.org/p<wbr>rojects/webtools</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There basically always is, but there's not really a plan published (see same project site). I got the idea a lot of the focus at Red Hat these days is to support the AngularJS tooling that Red Hat is working on, but I'm not 100% sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Nick from Red Hat (<a href="https://github.com/nickboldt" target="_blank">https://github.com/nickboldt</a>)<wbr> is the biggest committer at the moment for WTP: <a href="https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools/who" target="_blank">https://projects.eclipse.<wbr>org/projects/webtools/who</a></div><div><br></div><div>This gives some overview of the activity per repo:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/eclipse?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=webtools" target="_blank">https://github.com/eclipse?<wbr>utf8=✓&q=webtools</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Specifically for Java EE the following are interesting I think:</div><div><br></div><div>* <a href="https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.javaee/commits/master" target="_blank">https://github.com/eclipse/<wbr>webtools.javaee/commits/master</a></div><div>* <a href="https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.servertools/commits/master" target="_blank">https://github.com/eclipse/<wbr>webtools.servertools/commits/<wbr>master</a></div><div>* <a href="https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.jsf/commits/master" target="_blank">https://github.com/eclipse/<wbr>webtools.jsf/commits/master</a></div><div><br></div><div>Quickly glancing through the commits I don't think even JSF 2.2 (Java EE 7) support has yet be worked on, and certainly not JSF 2.3.</div><div><br></div><div>I've bcc'ed the PMC and committers Nick and John. </div><div><br></div><div>@Elson, could you perhaps shed some light on the EE 7/EE 8 support plans for WTP?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div>Arjan Tijms</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Werner</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-m_-2301652455913318380gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-GB"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br><br></div></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote:<br>
> Hi Werner, Hi Ryan,<br>
> the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8<br>
> technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users.<br>
> Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application<br>
> by using comfortable tools.<br>
> On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into<br>
> the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep,<br>
> using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my<br>
> indication, that some significant locations are outdated<br>
> and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The<br>
> changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent.<br>
> But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project<br>
> has a road map, that could be published officially.<br>
> @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8<br>
> compliant WTP-Plugin?<br>
<br>
No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the<br>
wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists.<br>
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> Alex<br>
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> Rudy,<br>
> Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can<br>
> be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support<br>
> either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go<br>
> EE4J/JakartaEE.<br>
> The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE<br>
> (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support)<br>
> have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version.<br>
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> Alex,<br>
><br>
> Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's<br>
> only the<br>
> next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called<br>
> "Jakarta EE".<br>
> Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to<br>
> the EE4J<br>
> PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed<br>
> EE.next WG.<br>
><br>
> If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should<br>
> not be a<br>
> problem in most IDEs.<br>
> You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in<br>
> most cases)<br>
> app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it hardly<br>
> matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8<br>
> features each<br>
> of the containers already supports.<br>
><br>
> Werner<br>
><br>
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> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,<br>
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> >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
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> > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is<br>
> absolutely<br>
> > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I<br>
> would raise<br>
> > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend<br>
> checking out<br>
> > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE<br>
> training classes<br>
> > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish<br>
> > (integrated).<br>
> ><br></span>
> >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to<br>
> be going<br>
> > pretty well.<br>
> ><br>
> >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> ><br>
> > -Ryan<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos<br></span><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5">
> <<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Dear Colleagues,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse<br>
> Oxygen) is<br>
> > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.<br>
> > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.<br>
> > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.<br>
> > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean<br>
> package" way is<br>
> > offered.<br>
> > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are<br>
> been offered<br>
> > in older versions.<br>
> > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because<br>
> not only<br>
> > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,<br>
> > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most<br>
> widely used<br>
> > IDE for Java EE.<br>
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> > > Best Regards,<br>
> > > Alex<br>
> > ><br>
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500<br>
> > From: reza_rahman <<a href="mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com" target="_blank">reza_rahman@lycos.com</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com" target="_blank">reza_rahman@lycos.com</a><wbr>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> > To: EE4J community discussions <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br></span>
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> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current<br></span>
> >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8<br>
> > Message-ID:<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">mailman.244.1519739745.17181<wbr>.ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br>
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> ><br>
> > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent<br>
> support in<br>
> > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of<br>
> Jakarata EE for<br>
> > the reasons stated.<br>
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<br>
> > -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <<br></span>
> > <a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29<br>
> AM? (GMT-05:00) To:<br>
> > <a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse<wbr>.org</a>><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5"><br>
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still<br>
> > behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>
> > Hi Ryan,<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ<br>
> as the IDE<br>
> > for the consulters.<br>
> ><br>
> > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from<br>
> the public<br>
> > sector and cannot buy the expensive license.<br>
> ><br>
> > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were<br>
> having<br>
> > integrating our server.<br>
> ><br>
> > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in<br>
> the market<br>
> > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year<br>
> by the<br>
> > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.<br>
> ><br>
> > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse<br>
> Foundation, it<br>
> > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the<br>
> Eclipse IDE.<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > Kind Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Alex<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr<br>
> ><br></div></div>
> > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> ><br>
> > An:?"EE4J community discussions" <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclips<wbr>e.org</a>>><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5"><br>
> ><br>
> > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the<br>
> current state of<br>
> > Java EE 8<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Alexander,<br>
> ><br>
> > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support<br>
> for Java EE.<br>
> > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript<br>
> > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many<br>
> years now. I<br>
> > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime<br>
> recommend<br>
> > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give<br>
> Java EE<br>
> > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and<br>
> includes<br>
> > GlassFish (integrated).?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to<br>
> be going<br>
> > pretty well.?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > -Ryan<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a><br></div></div><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Colleagues,<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse<br>
> Oxygen) is<br>
> > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.<br>
> ><br>
> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.<br>
> ><br>
> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.<br>
> ><br>
> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package"<br>
> way is<br>
> > offered.<br>
> ><br>
> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been<br>
> offered<br>
> > in older versions.<br>
> ><br>
> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because<br>
> not only<br>
> > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,<br>
> ><br>
> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most<br>
> widely used IDE<br>
> > for Java EE.<br>
> ><br>
> > ?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Alex<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Alexander Salvanos<br>
> ><br>
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> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:00:26 +0100<br>
> From: Rudy De Busscher <<a href="mailto:rdebusscher@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdebusscher@gmail.com</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rdebusscher@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdebusscher@gmail.com</a><wbr>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
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> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current<br></span>
> ? ? ? ? state of Java EE 8<br>
> Message-ID:<br>
> ? ? ? ?<br>
> <<a href="mailto:CAL%2Bwt-42xe-Qhoz%2BPnSXt7%2B-3CizriOW4srxL%2BibCUo0-D1Uew@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CAL+wt-42xe-Qhoz+PnSXt7+-3Ci<wbr>zriOW4srxL+ibCUo0-D1Uew@mail.g<wbr>mail.com</a><br>
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><br>
> Werner,<br>
><br>
> Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven.<br>
> But the<br>
> purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete, indicate<br>
> errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated<br>
> to Java<br>
> EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will<br>
> slow me<br>
> down!).<br>
><br>
> Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although<br>
> I'm an<br>
> IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)<br>
><br>
> Rudy<br>
><br>
> On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <<a href="mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.keil@gmail.com</a><br></span><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:werner.keil@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.keil@gmail.com</a><wbr>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Alex,<br>
> ><br>
> > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's<br>
> only the<br>
> > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called<br>
> "Jakarta EE".<br>
> > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up<br>
> to the EE4J<br>
> > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed<br>
> EE.next WG.<br>
> ><br>
> > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it<br>
> should not be<br>
> > a problem in most IDEs.<br>
> > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in<br>
> most cases)<br>
> > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it<br>
> hardly<br>
> > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8<br>
> features each<br>
> > of the containers already supports.<br>
> ><br>
> > Werner<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community-request@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community-request@eclip<wbr>se.org</a><br></span>
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> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Send ee4j-community mailing list submissions to<br></span>
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> >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>
> >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)<br>
> >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>
> >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)<br>
> >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>
> >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> -----------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------<br>
> >><br>
> >> Message: 1<br>
> >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500<br></span>
> >> From: Ryan Cuprak <<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> To: EE4J community discussions <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclips<wbr>e.org</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current<br></span>
> >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8<br>
> >> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C@gmail.com" target="_blank">CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B9<wbr>6030D0C@gmail.com</a><br>
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> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi Alexander,<br></span>
> >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> for Java<br>
> >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is<br>
> >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many<br>
> years now. I<br>
> >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime<br>
> recommend<br>
> >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give<br>
> Java EE<br>
> >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free<br>
> and includes<br>
> >> GlassFish (integrated).<br>
> >><br></span>
> >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> to be going<br>
> >> pretty well.<br>
> >><br></span>
> >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >><br>
> >> -Ryan<br>
> >><br>
> >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos<br></span>
> <<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5"><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Dear Colleagues,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse<br>
> Oxygen)<br>
> >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.<br>
> >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.<br>
> >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.<br>
> >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean<br>
> package" way is<br>
> >> offered.<br>
> >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been<br>
> >> offered in older versions.<br>
> >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because<br>
> not only<br>
> >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,<br>
> >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most<br>
> widely used<br>
> >> IDE for Java EE.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Best Regards,<br>
> >> > Alex<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Alexander Salvanos<br>
> >> > <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g">Goebenstr.5</a><br>
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> >> > Telefon: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%28151%29%2024296962" value="+4915124296962" target="_blank">+49 (151) 24296962</a><br>
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> >> Message: 2<br>
> >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100<br>
> >> From: "Alexander Salvanos" <<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>><br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse<wbr>.org</a>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current<br></span>
> >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8<br>
> >> Message-ID:<br>
> >> ?<trinity-ab9b7b05-b626-411e-a<wbr>cc1-68e491a78a11-1519727368905<wbr>@<span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
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> >> Message: 3<br>
> >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500<br>
> >> From: reza_rahman <<a href="mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com" target="_blank">reza_rahman@lycos.com</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:reza_rahman@lycos.com" target="_blank">reza_rahman@lycos.com</a><wbr>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> To: EE4J community discussions <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclips<wbr>e.org</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current<br></span>
> >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8<br>
> >> Message-ID:<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">mailman.244.1519739745.17181<wbr>.ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">mailman.244.151973974<wbr>5.17181.ee4j-community@eclipse<wbr>.org</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> >><br>
> >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent<br>
> support in<br>
> >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of<br>
> Jakarata EE for<br>
> >> the reasons stated.<br>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<br>
> >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <<br></span>
> >> <a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29<br>
> AM? (GMT-05:00) To:<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse<wbr>.org</a>><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5"><br>
> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is<br>
> >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8<br>
> >> Hi Ryan,<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ<br>
> as the IDE<br>
> >> for the consulters.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from the<br>
> >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.<br>
> >><br>
> >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were<br>
> having<br>
> >> integrating our server.<br>
> >><br>
> >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in<br>
> the market<br>
> >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year<br>
> by the<br>
> >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.<br>
> >><br>
> >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse<br>
> Foundation, it<br>
> >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the<br>
> Eclipse IDE.<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Kind Regards,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Alex<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr<br>
> >><br></div></div>
> >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rcuprak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcuprak@gmail.com</a>>><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-"><br>
> >><br>
> >> An:?"EE4J community discussions" <<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclipse.org</a><br></span>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ee4j-community@eclipse.org" target="_blank">ee4j-community@eclips<wbr>e.org</a>>><div><div class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-h5"><br>
> >><br>
> >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the<br>
> current state<br>
> >> of Java EE 8<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi Alexander,<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support<br>
> for Java<br>
> >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript<br>
> >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many<br>
> years now. I<br>
> >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime<br>
> recommend<br>
> >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give<br>
> Java EE<br>
> >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free<br>
> and includes<br>
> >> GlassFish (integrated).?<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks<br>
> to be going<br>
> >> pretty well.?<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> -Ryan<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos<br></div></div><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-">
> <<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:salvanos@gmx.de" target="_blank">salvanos@gmx.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Dear Colleagues,<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse<br>
> Oxygen) is<br>
> >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.<br>
> >><br>
> >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean<br>
> package" way is<br>
> >> offered.<br>
> >><br>
> >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are<br>
> been offered<br>
> >> in older versions.<br>
> >><br>
> >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because<br>
> not only<br>
> >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,<br>
> >><br>
> >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most<br>
> widely used<br>
> >> IDE for Java EE.<br>
> >><br>
> >> ?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best Regards,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Alex<br>
><br>
<br></span><span class="m_-18776894028717625gmail-">
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