<div dir="ltr">Still seems weird that I have to GIVE you the code when you want to TAKE it over and it's freely licensed for exactly this purpose... but anyway...<div><br></div><div>Do you mean this document [1] ?</div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">[1] <a href="https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt">https://www.apache.org/licenses/cla-corporate.txt</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>If so, just let me know when your colleagues at ASF have decided they're OK with taking the contribution, and have created the git repo for the pull request. I can then submit the PR and the aforementioned document. Should it be signed by me as the contributor, or Richard as our legal guy? Do you need a PDF w/ an Actual Signature, or is a text file with text names sufficient? Forgive these dumb questions but I've never contributed to Apache before. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Nick</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Daniel Dekany <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ddekany@freemail.hu" target="_blank">ddekany@freemail.hu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 5:46:34 PM, Mickael Istria wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen <<a href="mailto:manderse@redhat.com">manderse@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> just want to raise that we don't need to move to apache - we can make anyone a contributor<br>
> on the jboss tools freemarker plugin that agreeds to the jboss CLA.<br>
> This situation is deeply confusing for JBoss Tools maintainers and<br>
> potential contributors and your proposal wouldn't help: we -as Red<br>
> Hat employees- ha've been asked to drop maintenance of<br>
> jbosstools-freemarker for business or strategical reasons, but we<br>
> keep it under jbosstools (~= Red Hat) organization. This gives the<br>
> impression to contributors that we're still owning and maintaining<br>
> this code. If we want to open this repo to new contributors,<br>
> incoming contributors would expect us to review PRs, maintain builds<br>
> and all that stuff we're exactly supposed to not do any more while<br>
> we stop maintaining. Moreover, some contributors may not like<br>
> contributing to JBoss or Red Hat branded projects because it's not a vendor-neutral ecosystem.<br>
> Keeping things like it isn't profitable to anyone and we generally<br>
> need to clarify what we mean by "not maintained" and how to properly<br>
> "give up" components like this. We're currently in a mid-ground<br>
> that's blocking all possible progress or decision.<br>
><br>
> The big question in that case is whether we (Red Hat) is ready to<br>
> make the effort to "give" such almost abandoned code to Eclipse or<br>
> Apache Foundation (this involves effort to rebrand package and<br>
> artifacts, make standalone build, move code...)? That's something we<br>
> need to clarify before moving any further.<br>
<br>
</div></div>I think you can just sign the Software Grant and Corporate Contributor<br>
License Agreement, make a PR on Github on the ASF repository prepared<br>
for the purpose, and the Apache FreeMarker committers will do the rest<br>
(replacing license headers, renaming packages, getting rid of improper<br>
dependencies, etc.). Now that's not an official statement from ASF,<br>
but I can ask ASF legal if needed.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> If the answer is that Red Hat isn't willing to make that migration<br>
> effort but wouldn't mind anyone else doing it and would approve it<br>
> legally, let's just write it down very clearly in the README and<br>
> remove everything else that's not relevant any more. And we can make<br>
> a statement to Apache or Eclipse<br>
<br>
</span>(Apache, surely not Eclipse in this concrete case. FreeMarker is owned<br>
by Apache.)<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
> that we approve someone else moving this code.<br>
> If the answer is that Red Hat can support with manpower migration<br>
> of this code to someplace else, then it needs to be made more<br>
> official before people can work on this instead of other stuff. But<br>
> if we do that, it also means we need to make clear that we're moving<br>
> the code to better abandon it and let other owns it immediately, as<br>
> there is no more reason to maintain it at Apache/Eclipse than in jbosstools-freemarker repo.<br>
><br>
> @Max: I really believe we need a hierarchical decision here, it's<br>
> not a 5 minutes task, and leaving it on GitHub like this can be<br>
> perceived as technical debt because we still get users reaching us with questions.<br>
<br>
</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">--<br>
Thanks,<br>
Daniel Dekany<br>
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